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nitrofan1
11-03-2008, 10:19 PM
Was wondering: If you install colored LEDs in place of the incandesent bulbs will the LED's color show up clearly or will the "green" film on the back of the guage panel corrupt the effect? I've seen tech articles on removing the film and putting a different color on but being Chief Rain Cloud I know I'd screw that up. Looking for the easiest way to get rid of the stock look.

Thanks for any replies! :dunno:

93splash
11-09-2008, 05:46 PM
Yes the new bulbs color will show through. I have a 93 Ranger and i put blue led bulbs in the cluster without removing the green film and they show right through it. I can take a picture for you tomorrow if you would like.

Thanks
Rusty

Destroyer000
11-09-2008, 06:17 PM
ive got a 95 an a 96 an i installed blue leds an i scraped the green film off..

93splash
11-11-2008, 12:38 PM
When you said that you scraped off the green film. Do you mean you took like a knife or a razor blade and just scraped it off or... ?? I installed my blue led's in my cluster and left the green film and they shine through alright but they could be more blue like they should be. I just don't want to ruin my cluster when i do this.

Thanks Rusty.

P.S. sorry to hijack your thread I just though it would be better suited here then making a whole new thread.

nitrofan1
11-11-2008, 08:42 PM
No prob! We all are here to help when needed!!! :icon_cheers:

IamMonsterMan
11-11-2008, 08:59 PM
i used white LEDs and it came through the green as blue

Sorry for the crappy pic, i cant get a good night pic of them
http://a483.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_f47ac0479d0a10722f2eee9a87e677e2.jpg

Bryan22
11-12-2008, 02:57 AM
ooh I like that white looks clean. maybe i'll try that

93splash
11-13-2008, 04:09 PM
ill take a picture of mine for you tonight. I used blue led's

Hypnotic Toast
11-20-2008, 12:21 PM
Is it very hard to replace the incandesent bulbs with LED lights? Where can you buy these LED lights at?

93splash
11-20-2008, 01:09 PM
sorry guys i forgot about this thread lol. I will get a picture for you tonight. No its not hard at all. Once you pull the gauge cluster pull out the old bulbs and put the new led ones right in there place.

I got mine on ebay. You can also get them from superbrightleds.com ect...

mine are blue. I bought these ones http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/10pcs-161-168-194-Inverted-LED-Spark-Blue-Wedge-Bulbs_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3 a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q 2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem370116038156QQitemZ3701160381 56QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Rusty

93splash
11-20-2008, 05:34 PM
Here is a video of the blue led's in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJcng5oUXLo

Its my friends truck nismotunedgtr on here but we have the same bulbs and clusters so it looks the same. all we did is replace the factory bulbs with the blue led's

Thanks Rusty

Hypnotic Toast
11-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Those are sick, I think I'll try to put some in. My new Pioneer system has a blue glow to it, anyways.

razrwild
11-20-2008, 10:18 PM
I like the blue look but my radio has red/blue glow so I was thinking red

93splash
11-21-2008, 11:15 AM
its not hard to do at all. Just pull out your cluster take out the bulbs from the sockets and then put the new bulbs in the old sockets and then install in the cluster. Very simple and changes the whole interior of the truck.

Red would also look good but I don't know how that would shine through a green film on the back of the cluster:icon_confused:

Try it and let us know. lol

pyro4fun
11-21-2008, 12:22 PM
I just put blue LED's in my dash a couple of weeks ago. I have a gen1 ranger but i was thinking of doing a write up on it. I ordered my LED's from http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm
I ordered 2 different types of LED's for my dash because i didn't know how bright thy would be, on the back of my gen1 gages i only have 3 main lights so i had to order some brighter LED's.
I ordered these first in a gen3 these will work fine, I actually used these for my blinkers which are now red.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb17/pyro4fun_photos/wled-x.jpg
But on a gen1 or 2 i would recommend these.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb17/pyro4fun_photos/wled-x5.jpg
Ill post some more pics in a day or two. :icon_thumby:

BigIron
11-21-2008, 01:57 PM
DO the LED's dim with your dimmer switch or are they all or nothing?

93splash
11-21-2008, 08:31 PM
they are supposed to dim with your dimmer switch since you are just changing the bulbs and nothing else. Mine dim somewhat but not enough to notice. Not sure why but it doesn't bother me. I never used the dimmer before. All my gauges, blinkers, and my heater controls are all blue led's. I kept my check engine light ect all the white light to read them.

93splash
11-23-2008, 02:53 PM
anybody got there installs done yet?

rusty

bikerboy
11-26-2008, 10:09 PM
Has anyone changed out the bulbs behind the heater/AC controls in a newer truck. Planning on doing my cluster soon and would like to do those as well. Thanks! Pics would be sweet too

nitrofan1
11-26-2008, 10:30 PM
All great replies! Good info! Gonna go Blue as well! Thanks! :icon_cheers:

93splash
11-28-2008, 09:17 PM
not a problem that's what where here for right lmao.

I love the blue in my gauges. The guy at the inspection place said what package did u get to get blue gauges lmao:headbang:

Im like I installed led's in there. Hes like Led's:icon_confused::icon_confused: lmao anyway

not sure on how to install led's in a newer heater controls but i just took mine apart and replaced the bulb. Good luck to you

nitrofan1
11-29-2008, 08:37 PM
Oh! Forgot to ask! How many bulbs are in the dash for the gauges minus the idiot lights? I have the the 6 gauge cluster.


Thanks!!!!!!!

BDAB
11-29-2008, 08:38 PM
going blue, better for anti-glare. might try the white first (providing they come out blue like in the pick.

93splash
11-30-2008, 01:30 PM
Nitrofan1
I ordered 10 blue led's and that did all my gauges, blinkers, and heater controls, and left all my idiot lights white factory colors. I also have a tach in my cluster

BDAB I herd that if you shine white light threw the cluster it will turn out like a light blue but not a nice intense blue like with blue led's

thanks Hope this helps.

Rusty

nitrofan1
12-06-2008, 10:51 PM
Got the dash done!! Now does anyone know how ta take the bulbs out of the HVAC???:dunno: Blue is the way to go!!!!

adam2kgt
12-07-2008, 10:57 PM
This "film" that you guys are talking about, where is it? I had my cluster out, and it had green covers over the bulbs behind the gauges. Popped them off, and installed red bulbs I bought at an auto parts store, 194R's. I'm going to try blue too. I'll try to get some pics in the next day or two.

nitrofan1
12-08-2008, 11:32 AM
Don't know if the "colored" 194 bulbs work as well. I work at an auto parts store and most buy those for dome lights. The LED ones are not affected by the green film. The blue came through blue. If those do work for you all the better! :icon_cheers:

daniel3507
12-15-2008, 03:49 PM
Hate to dig up an old post but just wanted to say that i love the way the blue bulbs look. i hadnt even thought about doing it before i saw this but now im sold

daniel3507
12-16-2008, 02:12 PM
does anyone know if there is an online tutorial or something on how to pull out the cluster? i know it may sound stupid but i dont want to end up breaking it when installing lights

bikerboy
12-16-2008, 02:39 PM
I think THIS (http://www.autozone.com/shopping/repairGuide.htm?pageId=0900c1528018ef5b) is what your looking for.

85_Ranger4x4
12-16-2008, 06:56 PM
This "film" that you guys are talking about, where is it? I had my cluster out, and it had green covers over the bulbs behind the gauges. Popped them off, and installed red bulbs I bought at an auto parts store, 194R's. I'm going to try blue too. I'll try to get some pics in the next day or two.

Your dash is a lot different than the newer trucks being discussed. As I recall, the bulbs in our trucks are white originally, but it shines thru a green covers that you saw. It would be fun to change them, but I like green...

Darkhorse88
12-16-2008, 07:12 PM
so how may led's do i need to buy to do my 93 ranger?

daniel3507
12-16-2008, 07:32 PM
so how may led's do i need to buy to do my 93 ranger?

i think someone said 10 would do it? i could be wrong though. im fixing to do my 93 as well

Darkhorse88
12-16-2008, 07:42 PM
i am trying to make my mind up if i want to go blue or red I am putting a pioneer head unit in so i was leaning blue but my truck is red so i am undecided what do you guys think.



http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/darkhorse88/Ranger005.jpg

daniel3507
12-16-2008, 07:46 PM
personally i would go blue. my ranger is red and my deck is blue. im actually have second thoughts though now that i found white face gauges that light up blue or green

85_Ranger4x4
12-16-2008, 08:08 PM
i am trying to make my mind up if i want to go blue or red I am putting a pioneer head unit in so i was leaning blue but my truck is red so i am undecided what do you guys think.

I would go blue to match the HU.

Fast Fords
12-16-2008, 11:57 PM
in answer to the scraping of paint on the instrument cluster/gauges...

basically, after i got my dash out, i removed the plastic cover, pulled the needles off, and pulled off the actual gauge face. Flip it over, and it's white, with a type of translucent paint for the actual dials of the gauges. i took a razor blade and scraped all the paint of the desired numbers/letters of the tach, speedo, oil pressure, coolant temp, volt and gas gauges so my red lights shone through. I am in the process of "re-calibrating" my needles (any suggestions would be great) but it looks quite nice! i have pics i will post later....

Darkhorse88
12-17-2008, 12:25 AM
cant wait to see the pics.

Fast Fords
12-17-2008, 07:52 AM
i think i will also switch to LEDs; i am waiting for one more pack to come in on order (there is two per pack and i only got two packs, so i am short 2 :icon_rofl:)..i switched out my old gauge faces with ones from a 98 ranger..some of the idiot lights don't match up (my fuel reset is actually my door ajar and my check engine light is the water in fuel light; whatever the **** it was doing on a ranger IDK:icon_confused:)...the way it turned out is the faces look stock in the morning/day but at night is shines through nice!

daniel3507
12-17-2008, 10:21 AM
What do you guys think about these white face guages? im having a little trouble deciding but i think i might do it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___1991-1994-Ford-RANGER-W-Tach-White-Face-Glow-Gauges-27_W0QQitemZ180313531710QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Access oriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck _Parts_Accessories?hash=item180313531710&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

they have it for the AC/heat panel too

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___1991-1994-Ford-RANGER-Glowing-AC-HVAC-Panel-HEATER-619_W0QQitemZ360116587447QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Acces soriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truc k_Parts_Accessories?hash=item360116587447&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

nitrofan1
12-18-2008, 06:47 PM
On our dashes (90-94) to remove the cluster pull out the ashtray. Behind it are 2 screws. Take them out and the dash surround will come off by GENTLY prying toward you with your hands. The head unit will want to come with it so be ready to use whatever tool you use (for the factory unit I use landscaping weed block anchors). Once the dash surround is off look at the cluster. There are 4 screws at the upper corners and inside the lower corners. Do not remove the smaller ones for the clear cover! You will need to access the bulbs from the back instead of removing the gauge faces, course if you are comfortable with removing the gauges and have done it before by all means go for it! I did mine from the rear. Just be ready to take your time! My hands are somewhat large and I had to be patient while doing this. My cluster only came out about 4 inches cause of the wiring harness and didn't want to screw the pooch! It took maybe an hour to do and the LED's WILL change the face color! No SCRAPING NEEDED! My gauges are VERY blue now!
I bought 10 bulbs and it took 8 for the dash. Be sure to leave the warning lights as they are unless you have a major fetish for 1 color!! LOL:icon_bounceblue:

nitrofan1
12-18-2008, 06:51 PM
OH! Does anyone know how to remove the bulbs in the HVAC????? I looked all over it and can't find an access port to them! That's all that's left for me to be BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dunno:

Fast Fords
01-06-2009, 10:50 PM
sorry for the delay, i was on holidays over christmas!! check these out; not done yet..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243297&l=9091d&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243298&l=c6893&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243301&l=023cc&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243303&l=06a34&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243304&l=d538d&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243305&l=b6c6b&id=1134704895

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=243307&l=60f8b&id=1134704895

i am having a hell of a time trying to get my damn needles re-calibrated..i may just ditch this idea in favour for an FX4 dash...dunno yet lol...

ShadowSport08
01-11-2009, 03:19 PM
to answer the HVAC question, its probably easier then the gages, you just have to pull off your bezel, pull off the knobs, then there are two screws on each side of the HVAC panel, once you get that out, the face is just clipped onto the rest of the unit, pull that off and you can get the green plastic piece out (dont even have to scrape anything, its just a sheet of plastic) switch your bulbs then re-assemble! and tada!

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll164/_heartsdead/HVAC010.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll164/_heartsdead/HVAC009s.jpg

it looks good with a blue HU :icon_thumby:

they are brighter then the pic shows them, my camera just isn't very good for pictures without the flash.

(ps- those two bright lights are switches for fog lights)

ShadowSport08
01-11-2009, 03:25 PM
93splash: in that video, thats just bulbs without removing the green paint? i may have to try that then, i don't want to screw around with my cluster and pull the needles off and the gage face, cos the newer models suck for that, all mechanical and having to spin them whatnot, seems a little risky for me

93splash
01-11-2009, 05:05 PM
yes that video is with blue led's in a stock cluster. All we did is remove teh cluster and switch the bulbs from white to the blue led's ones and reinstall.

ShadowSport08
01-11-2009, 07:17 PM
well im definately going to have to do that soon then

Fast Fords
01-11-2009, 09:41 PM
:no2:


i don't want to screw around with my cluster and pull the needles off and the gage face, cos the newer models suck for that, all mechanical and having to spin them whatnot, seems a little risky for me

DON'T PULL THE NEEDLES!

i can't get my needles to re-calibrate after pulling them..so i need a new cluster :buttkick:

se7en
01-21-2009, 02:16 PM
I am thinkin about takin the tint off of the back of my cluster. but I have to pull the needles and I'm worried that they wont go back on right. anyone have a tip who has successfully done this? there has to be a way to get it back to normal

Buck
01-22-2009, 09:07 PM
I just bought the blue LED's of of ebay!! I go on shift for the next two days so hopefully they will be here when I get home so I can get to wrok! I just have one question for you. Did you also replace the buld behind your head light switch/Dimmer switch? From reading all the replys Thats the only bulb not mentioned. Thanks for getting me into this mod!! Can't wait until i do mine :yahoo:

93splash
01-23-2009, 04:59 PM
no i didn't my 93 does not have a bulb back there as far as i can remember.

rusty

Buck
01-26-2009, 04:07 PM
So I was looking at my cluster and I've got one more question. There are three bolts on the top of the cluster. Do I just need to remove those three bolts and the cluster slides out or is it mre complicated than that? Thanks for the help!

Xploda
01-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Frickin sick....I'm going to order the blue ones now thanks..awsome right up btw :P

Fast Fords
01-27-2009, 10:07 PM
So I was looking at my cluster and I've got one more question. There are three bolts on the top of the cluster. Do I just need to remove those three bolts and the cluster slides out or is it mre complicated than that? Thanks for the help!

nope..there should be something in this forum about removing the dash..its quite simple..

remove the three screws above your HVAC (temp controls), and pull out the black (or whatever colour it may be) trim piece surrounding your radio. Next, disconnect the radio and any other wiring associated with the trim piece. Then, along the bottom of your driver side dash there are two screws in the bottom of the plastic panel near where your hood and park brake handle release are. Remove them. Also, remove the screws holding in your hood release. Remove the trim piece; set aside. There will now be a metal "kick plate"; there are approx. 7 screws holding this in; just loosen them off. once that is done, there are two-three more screws in the bottom of the trim piece that you will see once the "kick panel" is loosened. Remove the screws. This is where you have to remove those three screws above the instrument cluster. Pull on that trim piece (it has your light controls in it) and move off to the side. Finally, there are four screws holding your cluster in; remove them. Remove harnesses for easier access to the light bulbs. Reverse procedure for installation. :icon_cheers:

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:53 AM
Thanks that helps a lot! I knew there must be more to it. The dang lights still aren't here and I go back on shift in the morning so I guess it'll have to wait a few more days......

Fast Fords
01-29-2009, 10:18 PM
lol i drove around with my whole dash apart cuz i was waiting on lights as well..and when i needed to do my heater core (PRAY you never have to do this..its a terrible job); got 'er done after a few beers though haha

irishblessing
02-17-2009, 09:13 PM
how are you guys getting your clusters out i tried with my 96 ranger and i couldnt figure it out its all one piece lol

irishblessing
02-17-2009, 09:28 PM
where did you buy your leds can i just go to autozone i have a 96 ranger without a tach how many bulbs would i need

nitrofan1
02-18-2009, 10:27 PM
Here is where some of us got them. Good to work with, fast ship!

http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm

Good prices too!

koda6966
02-18-2009, 10:34 PM
I can never find white gauges for '93. I'd love to have one.

..cant afford it though.

fordboi415
02-19-2009, 12:07 AM
Hey those UV black light l.e.ds would be sick with some white background guages

daniel3507
02-19-2009, 12:09 AM
I can never find white gauges for '93. I'd love to have one.

If you look around on Ebay long enough you will find them. at night the entire gauge face lights up and you can change it from blue to green

sean9721
02-19-2009, 06:50 AM
where did you buy your leds can i just go to autozone i have a 96 ranger without a tach how many bulbs would i need

You will need 8 bulbs. I bought a pack of 10 LEDs from eBay.

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39625

koda6966
02-19-2009, 04:25 PM
If you look around on Ebay long enough you will find them. at night the entire gauge face lights up and you can change it from blue to green

Yeah, but usually they're tach gauges. I don't have a tach so mines a different shape.

irishblessing
02-19-2009, 07:02 PM
thanks i didnt want to order 15 and not use all of them

locovaca
02-19-2009, 10:40 PM
Yeah, but usually they're tach gauges. I don't have a tach so mines a different shape.

They make them. Here's one, although it's a Canadian model

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-94-KPH-EXPLORER-RANGER-noTAC-WHITE-FACE-GAUGES-38k_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 360131022350QQitemZ360131022350QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5 fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

And a non-Canadian model

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-RANGER-88-89-90-91-92-WHITE-GAUGE-FACE-NO-TACH_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m400032031403QQitemZ400032031403QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting

irishblessing
02-20-2009, 10:29 PM
Here is where some of us got them. Good to work with, fast ship!

http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm

Good prices too!

how fast did they ship them out to you

goldxlt
02-23-2009, 02:44 PM
has anyone gotten the leds' to dim? i use the dimmer a bit and i would hate to loose that function.

sean9721
02-23-2009, 03:44 PM
has anyone gotten the leds' to dim? i use the dimmer a bit and i would hate to loose that function.

Mine dim just fine.

goldxlt
02-26-2009, 10:09 AM
i found some bulbs i would like to get but i have the option of 90 or a 120 degree beam? is this just refering to how wide of an area the light will cover? i just want to make sure it wont affect how the bulb fits in.

irishblessing
02-26-2009, 11:13 PM
i found some bulbs i would like to get but i have the option of 90 or a 120 degree beam? is this just refering to how wide of an area the light will cover? i just want to make sure it wont affect how the bulb fits in.

yeah im pretty sure thants the range the light will shine

irishblessing
02-28-2009, 11:33 PM
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/IRISHBLESSING8/96%20Ranger/P1010410.jpg

got them done there actually blue

Gotta_gofast
03-07-2009, 02:39 PM
Are you guys using a single LED bulb or a multi-LED bulb?

irishblessing
03-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Are you guys using a single LED bulb or a multi-LED bulb?

https://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR

WLEDx4 LED thats the one i used

Ranger-Danger
03-07-2009, 06:56 PM
https://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR

WLEDx4 LED thats the one i used


**Irishblessing** I'm ordering the bulbs right now and am wondering, I have a 93 ford ranger 4.0 xlt.. I have the 4 small oil/gas/temp/bat on the left and speed and tac on the right.. There are i think 5-6 bulbs that illuminate the gauges. My question is Should i use a wled-x or get a multi led like the wled-x4?? Don't want it to be to bright you know? I noticed on your pic that the brightness is pushing out harder in certain areas. Are the leds right in that area of the brightness? Thanks for the Help. And it looks Great by the way.

locovaca
03-07-2009, 08:30 PM
I just did my 93 cluster with LEDs. I bought 5 "samples" from SBL- a single, a WLED-4, 5, and 6, and a WLED-xHP6 to see how bad the hotspots would be and to figure out if they would be bright enough. By far the best one for the gauges was the WLED-xHP6 (no bulb points up, which helps eliminate hotspots). For the indicators I went with the WLED-4, it was more than bright enough. So my final total was:

5x WLED-HP6 (Cool White, I took off my green film and made my cluster white, I'll post pics later)
8x WLED-4 (3 Red, 3 Amber, 2 Green, 1 White- for the indicator bulbs. White went in the high beams, I would've bought blue but I just re-used the bulb I got for my samples and saved some money).

Ranger-Danger
03-07-2009, 09:35 PM
Sounds like a circus on your dash. Once i see the pics i can finally get mine ordered.
I'm sure it looks sweet.

irishblessing
03-07-2009, 11:23 PM
**Irishblessing** I'm ordering the bulbs right now and am wondering, I have a 93 ford ranger 4.0 xlt.. I have the 4 small oil/gas/temp/bat on the left and speed and tac on the right.. There are i think 5-6 bulbs that illuminate the gauges. My question is Should i use a wled-x or get a multi led like the wled-x4?? Don't want it to be to bright you know? I noticed on your pic that the brightness is pushing out harder in certain areas. Are the leds right in that area of the brightness? Thanks for the Help. And it looks Great by the way.

yeah were it looks brighter thats where my bubs are the ones i ordered are a single bulb with four little bulbs that shine straight instead of a 180 or 120 degree angle you can still use your dimmer but my bulbs are only a little brighter than stock there not extremely bright it looks alot better in person then the picture i have there alot more blue and i had six bulbs for the instrument cluster but as you can see from my picture i have no tach so im sure theres another bulb for the tach plus if you want to do your heater controls thats anothere two bulbs and there the same size as the instrumnet cluster (Mine were yours should be too) and were all here to help so dont mention it :icon_thumby:

RangerFuss
03-08-2009, 01:29 AM
im wondering if the WLEDx ones with 1 led would be bright enough, theyre only 270 lumens compared to the WLEDx4 which has 1300 lumens or would


changing sources here, but if i were to buy LED's on ebay, would it be best to be skeptical about the ones being shipped from china or hong kong? or would they be the same quality as buying LEDs from anywhere else

thanks :)

locovaca
03-08-2009, 07:37 AM
The WLED-single LED (that are less than a buck) are definitely not bright enough. I ended up using my "test" bulb in the ash tray light after taking off the green diffuser.

The problem is the dispersion of mcd (SBL doesn't rate in Lumens). With a single LED pointed up you get 270 mcd over a very limited cone, and is also why you get hot spots. The ones I bought are rated at 10,000 mcd; they are definitely brighter than a bulb but seem to be much more brighter than they really are because of my removing the film.

If you're looking for another good source, I've ordered bulbs from Autolumination.com with success. They have a bit more variety. I definitely recommend eating the $5 in shipping and ordering a few samples of the bulbs you're looking at. The $5 makes up for itself in the subsequent $50 order :)

RangerFuss
03-08-2009, 01:26 PM
ya, i was worried about the single led's not being bright enough

ill probably end up getting the 4 or 5 led WLED's, although im not sure if i should go with the 6 led that had 32 degrees dispersion or the 5 led that has 220 degrees

does anyone know about buying led's from China or Hong Kong on ebay? are they the same quality as any other led's?

thanks

Ranger-Danger
03-08-2009, 02:22 PM
I just did my 93 cluster with LEDs. I bought 5 "samples" from SBL- a single, a WLED-4, 5, and 6, and a WLED-xHP6 to see how bad the hotspots would be and to figure out if they would be bright enough. By far the best one for the gauges was the WLED-xHP6 (no bulb points up, which helps eliminate hotspots). For the indicators I went with the WLED-4, it was more than bright enough. So my final total was:

5x WLED-HP6 (Cool White, I took off my green film and made my cluster white, I'll post pics later)
8x WLED-4 (3 Red, 3 Amber, 2 Green, 1 White- for the indicator bulbs. White went in the high beams, I would've bought blue but I just re-used the bulb I got for my samples and saved some money).



You got any pictures yet??

irishblessing
03-08-2009, 04:18 PM
ya, i was worried about the single led's not being bright enough

ill probably end up getting the 4 or 5 led WLED's, although im not sure if i should go with the 6 led that had 32 degrees dispersion or the 5 led that has 220 degrees

does anyone know about buying led's from China or Hong Kong on ebay? are they the same quality as any other led's?

thanks

why would you buy leds from hong kong or china when you can buy them from AMERICA
go to superbrightleds.com you can finde everything there they have good prices and fast shipping

RangerFuss
03-08-2009, 08:10 PM
irishblessing you said in a previous post that yours came out blue, does that mean you used white LED's?

locovaca
03-08-2009, 08:42 PM
You got any pictures yet??

K. This first one is half of my test bulbs, half of the normal bulbs, just to give you an idea of the cool white look:

http://burke.homeip.net/%7Edan/Ranger/img_1930.jpg

This is the final product. There is a hot spot on the 45 mpg mark- that's due to the way the bulb is surrounded by plastic. I'm going to eventually pull it apart and cut off the plastic so the light disperses more evenly.

http://burke.homeip.net/%7Edan/Ranger/img_1938.jpg

Edit: Here are some more pics.

http://burke.homeip.net/%7Edan/Ranger/img_1946.jpg

http://burke.homeip.net/%7Edan/Ranger/img_1948.jpg

http://burke.homeip.net/%7Edan/Ranger/img_1949.jpg

The only stuff I cleaned off (with nail polish remover) was the green where white is now. I didn't remove it from the red lines nor the blue KPH/RPM sections. I had a test cluster which didn't work and I compared removing the red/blue and decided I liked it better with it still on.

nitrofan1
03-08-2009, 09:24 PM
That looks good! Question though. On mine the 45 on the spedo is dark. Did I miss a bulb? My chubby digits didn't feel any in that area.

locovaca
03-08-2009, 09:28 PM
On both the Tach and Non-Tach clusters there are five bulbs:

1. Far left size (lights the voltage/temp gauges)
2. Left Middle, around the 15 MPH mark (lights the Oil Pressue/Fuel Gauges and about 1/3 of the speedometer)
3. Top Middle, under the 45 MPH mark (lights 1/3 of the speedometer)
4. Right Middle, around the 75 MPH mark (lights up 1/2 of the tach and 1/3 of the speedometer)
5. Upper Right, around the 4 on the tach (lights up 1/2 of the tach)

Ranger-Danger
03-08-2009, 11:19 PM
Man that looks awesome. Was it hard getting the pins and stuff pluged back in?? Well its time to order mine. :D I will post some pictures also during my switch over:icon_thumby:. Wont be for a few weeks tho cause I gotta put in a new tranny / clutch / T Case / All that fun Stuff.:annoyed:

locovaca
03-09-2009, 07:22 AM
So, I developed my own patented method for accurately putting the pins back on.

What you need:

1. A Computer Power Supply
2. A 3 pin to 4 pin computer fan adapter + a 3 pin case/cpu fan
3. A selection of low value resistors (I think I settled on a 33 ohm, 1/2 Watt for all of my tests).
4. A drill.

Most of the threads I've seen essentially are guessing at the needle locations based on a photo after taking them off. Instead, I used a computer power supply and some other items to essentially "calibrate" my needles to known locations.

The computer power supply has a +12V line (usually the yellow wire), which is perfect for the tests. So, I went about 5/6 gauges using the power supply like this:

1. Voltage: This one is easy, +12V and Ground to the correct terminals.
2. Oil/Fuel,Temp: +12V to Battery (B+), Ground to Ground, and Signal through the 33 Ohm resistor to ground.
3. Tach: This is where I got tricky. I replicated the tach signal using the tach signal from the computer fan. +12V to Battery (B+), Ground to Ground, and the fan's tach signal wire (On your 3 to 4 pin adapter it should be the only wire not connected) to the 8 Cyl terminal. I don't know it wasn't working with the Sig terminal, but it worked with the 8 cyl one.
4. Speedometer: Either get a spare speedo cable from the junkyard, or else find a bit that'll go into the speedometer female in and spin it consistently. Then (I have a cheap drill) I zip tied the trigger on the drill so that it locked in at about 55 MPH and used that as a reference.

So, on top of all of this, I also had bought a second cluster for $20 and modified that instead of my original, so I had a reference for my "calibration", and it was perfect. Speed, tach, everything dead on. It's also much safer to do this at a work bench than trying to attach needles while you're driving.

irishblessing
03-09-2009, 12:07 PM
irishblessing you said in a previous post that yours came out blue, does that mean you used white LED's?

no mine are blue leds i didint want to scrape the green film off so i just put blue leds in and there so bright they passed the green film and came out light blue

koa's93ranger
03-11-2009, 12:06 AM
K. This first one is half of my test bulbs, half of the normal bulbs, just to give you an idea of the cool white look:


This is the final product. There is a hot spot on the 45 mpg mark- that's due to the way the bulb is surrounded by plastic. I'm going to eventually pull it apart and cut off the plastic so the light disperses more evenly.


The only stuff I cleaned off (with nail polish remover) was the green where white is now. I didn't remove it from the red lines nor the blue KPH/RPM sections. I had a test cluster which didn't work and I compared removing the red/blue and decided I liked it better with it still on.


what id like to know is how the hell you have a 93 ranger with only 43000 miles hahaha. i thought i had low miles with only 73000

irishblessing
03-11-2009, 12:15 AM
thats 143xxx im sure
73xxx how the hell do you have 73xxx i have 158xxx on a 96

koa's93ranger
03-11-2009, 12:44 AM
thats 143xxx im sure
73xxx how the hell do you have 73xxx i have 158xxx on a 96

haha my '03 had 118000

i just got lucky. after rolling my '03, i came across a '93 with 73000. so i took it immediately while it was still available :)

after further looking into the truck and the details. it seems that it was a previous forestry service vehicle. so it wasnt driven very much, mostly parked at a lookout or ranger station im sure. and i know they have to legally service the truck every so often, so i know it was taken care of and was up to date on its service inspections.

irishblessing
03-11-2009, 12:56 AM
thats freakin cool man i know exactly where mine has been previous owner was my grandmather and i used to ride in the jumpseats when i was younger so ive pretty much had the truck my whole life all the work done to it is documented and mostly highway miles so its in good shape i love my truck
but thats a steal man lucky you

koa's93ranger
03-11-2009, 10:44 AM
haha thats awesome. its gotta feel good to take a truck that youve rode in your entire life and turn it into something different with your own touch. which i could do that. all the trucks weve had from when i was a kid are in hawaii, probably rusted to hell in someones backyard haha

irishblessing
03-11-2009, 01:08 PM
yeah ill have that truck the rest of my life well hey at least you got to live in hawaii lol

jmsmith76
03-16-2009, 02:48 PM
ordered my LED's yesterday, gonna put them in this weekend or sometime next week over my spring break!

Syko
03-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Just got my LED's today.. heres a cuple pics.. gonna do the Instrument Panel once it stops raining....
Temp has no light in it..
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00451.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00449.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00450.jpg

nitrofan1
03-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Lookin good! Thinkin bout some Ford Motorsport gauges to add for myself! :headbang:

Mtrhd0024
03-17-2009, 06:24 PM
The reason people complain that the LED's don't dim as well as the bulbs is because essentially LED's are ON or OFF. The bulb dimmer is essentially a variable resistor which, as the resistance increases, the bulb brightness decreases. An LED does not require much voltage to light up, so as long as the voltage is at or above the requirement for the LED it will light up.

A proper LED dimmer will pulse the LED quickly on and off. The more pulses there are, the "brighter" the LED will appear to the human eye. The fewer the pulses, the "dimmer" the LED will appear to the human eye. The pulses are too quick to detect with the human eye so it will seem like one continuous beam. Since the original dimmer in the truck is a variable resistor, it will not dim the LED properly because it doesn't "pulse" the LED's.

You could create a dimmer for these LED's that would dim it more noticeable by pulsing them, however this would require more complex circuitry such as a microchip, as well as some basic programming. Not THAT difficult, but beyond the means of most DIY'ers, and you need a few specialty parts that you wouldn't have lying around the house.

Also, is there any way, or has anyone tried putting a red LED near the needle so it illuminates red while the rest of the gauge numbers, etc are blue? I'm not sure if there is a separate LED/bulb for the needles or not so I'm just wondering.


thats freakin cool man i know exactly where mine has been previous owner was my grandmather and i used to ride in the jumpseats when i was younger so ive pretty much had the truck my whole life all the work done to it is documented and mostly highway miles so its in good shape i love my truck
but thats a steal man lucky you

This is a lot like me man, my Grandpa bought my 1990 Bronco II in 1991, and gave it to me there last year. I was born in 90' so its pretty much like I've had it my whole life. Learned to drive with in it as well, so I love this thing! He's got a little book the the glovebox, and he's recorded everything: every gas stop, the mileage after every drive, every oil change and part replacement; its all down in that book, so its really sweet knowing where its been!

nitrofan1
03-17-2009, 07:42 PM
Not that I've seen. The regular 194's emit standard light that allows the green film to show plus the needles to show red. LED's I think use a different spectrum of light maybe? Cause what color LED you use that's the color gauges you get. If anyone has a better answer please let us all know.

locovaca
03-17-2009, 07:50 PM
There are 5 bulbs, all for the gauges and needles. The gauges have a plastic diffuser which "gathers" light and dumps it off behind the needle, which is what lights up the needle.

If you want red needles with blue numbers, you will have to go with 7000k or so white LEDs and either go with the stock blue paint or repaint to the blue you want, and paint the needles red. Otherwise you're looking at putting in extra LEDs and soldering the connections in manually. Stock incandescent bulbs emit light around 3000k which is yellowish, which is why you get green gauges with regular bulbs and blue gauges with 7000k ("hyper-white"). If you look hard enough you can find white LEDs closer to the standard 3000k temp.

Mtrhd0024
03-18-2009, 08:00 AM
There are 5 bulbs, all for the gauges and needles. The gauges have a plastic diffuser which "gathers" light and dumps it off behind the needle, which is what lights up the needle.

If you want red needles with blue numbers, you will have to go with 7000k or so white LEDs and either go with the stock blue paint or repaint to the blue you want, and paint the needles red. Otherwise you're looking at putting in extra LEDs and soldering the connections in manually. Stock incandescent bulbs emit light around 3000k which is yellowish, which is why you get green gauges with regular bulbs and blue gauges with 7000k ("hyper-white"). If you look hard enough you can find white LEDs closer to the standard 3000k temp.

Ok thanks, I knew you'd need a different color LED if you wanted red needles, I just wasn't sure if the needle had its own LED and if the design of the gauges would allow you to install a different color LED without causing you to have half red, half blue gauges or something silly like that. It sounds like from what people are saying that there are only a few LED's in the cluster which dump light on the whole thing simultaniously, so there's no easy way to get blue gauges and red needles without some custom fab work.

nitrofan1
03-18-2009, 08:12 PM
The needle will still be darker than the numbers yet still lit. It will be a reddish-purple color. It takes a few nights to get used to it but the advantage is your eyes won't get tired from the color of the gauges!

The Jester Race
03-20-2009, 01:59 AM
When ordering from superbrightleds.com is that price per bulb, or per pack? If its per pack how many bulbs come in a pack?

-Jester

irishblessing
03-20-2009, 02:30 AM
When ordering from superbrightleds.com is that price per bulb, or per pack? If its per pack how many bulbs come in a pack?

-Jester

the price is per bulb

AKBroncoII
03-20-2009, 03:11 AM
Shit, I'm just having a hard time finding the right bulbs for my 91 explorer dash. It's pretty expensive per LED compared to the indiglo dashes.

irishblessing
03-20-2009, 01:15 PM
Shit, I'm just having a hard time finding the right bulbs for my 91 explorer dash. It's pretty expensive per LED compared to the indiglo dashes.

what size are your bulbs i bought all mine on superbrighleds and its was $20 for 6 bulbs and shipping which isnt bad

jmsmith76
03-20-2009, 01:28 PM
mine was 20 for 6 bulbs and shipping. got the WLED 4x. haven't put them in yet, just got them today

irishblessing
03-20-2009, 02:11 PM
mine was 20 for 6 bulbs and shipping. got the WLED 4x. haven't put them in yet, just got them today

yeah thats what i got, there cool lights i just bought 2 more for my heater ac controls

MAranger
03-23-2009, 01:48 PM
can you do this with autozone lights?

nitrofan1
03-23-2009, 06:34 PM
If you are talking about colored 194's the answer is yes....to a point. If you want the blue or red 194's to show those colors you have to take your gauges apart and scrape the green film off the back of the numbers. Get the LED's. You will be much happier! The LED's color will show through the green film whatever color LED you choose. I have blue LED's and that's what my dash lights up as.

jmsmith76
03-23-2009, 11:23 PM
so i put my lights in the other day and i'm somewhat disappointed with the result. the needles and odo shine bright blue like they should but the light barely comes through the numbers and they're still greenish. it's kind of growing on me to have bright blue needles and dim numbers though. looks kind of cool. but the question is, should i return them and get some that have a wider light diffusion or should i go with the current look? here's a before and after picture...

BEFORE
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt150/jmsmith272/clusterbefore.jpg?t=1237864802


AFTER
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt150/jmsmith272/clusterafter.jpg?t=1237864845

kind of crappy pictures, but you get the idea

jmsmith76
03-23-2009, 11:26 PM
and yes, i'm aware i have a dead spot on the oil gauge, i think maybe i didn't seat the bulb quite good enough...

nitrofan1
03-24-2009, 03:06 PM
Well, it's hard to judge by the pics, but I like the cool blue. I like the non glare blue and I've grown accustom to the dimmer light. I know there are better ways to do it but for less than $30 it's really hard to beat. Maybe some day I'll upgrade to a better system. Course the black gauge panel doesn't help much lol. If anyone has done LED's on a white face gauge let us know how it looks!

lone-wolf
03-27-2009, 11:56 PM
Here's mine with 5 WLED-xHP6 and 1 WLED-x4 LED(screwed up order, will replace with xhp6) at the top of the speed thingy.
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs014.snc1/2634_78081252533_510622533_2778393_5393272_n.jpg
(287,000KM btw)
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs014.snc1/2634_78081247533_510622533_2778392_4003308_n.jpg

Getting to the cluster was a PITA! I basically removed everything that's clip and screwed on before I found the right stuff to remove. Broke some plastic because there are 2 screws hidden at the bottom of the plastic under some metal.

jmsmith76
03-28-2009, 12:08 AM
im not really sure why mine don't shine through like everyone elses...

locovaca
03-28-2009, 08:04 AM
im not really sure why mine don't shine through like everyone elses...
Did you go with the xHP6 bulbs? They're a little more expensive but they give a far better look than any of the other bulbs. They're much brighter and since they don't have any bulbs pointing right at you they help eliminate hot spots.

irishblessing
03-28-2009, 01:30 PM
Here's mine with 5 WLED-xHP6 and 1 WLED-x4 LED(screwed up order, will replace with xhp6) at the top of the speed thingy.
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs014.snc1/2634_78081252533_510622533_2778393_5393272_n.jpg
(287,000KM btw)
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs014.snc1/2634_78081247533_510622533_2778392_4003308_n.jpg

Getting to the cluster was a PITA! I basically removed everything that's clip and screwed on before I found the right stuff to remove. Broke some plastic because there are 2 screws hidden at the bottom of the plastic under some metal.

are your needles blue?

lone-wolf
03-28-2009, 06:58 PM
I never really noticed, looking at the pictures the needles don't look like they're very noticeable, I'll check it out when it gets darker.

irishblessing
03-29-2009, 04:55 AM
i bought the WLEDx4 which is the one that shines brighter in your pictures everything is blue on my cluster including the needles but the lights are so bright i have a couple hot spots (which i dont mind i think they look cool kind of like camo)

Syko
03-29-2009, 03:10 PM
I bought just the regular LED bulbs and they worked out fine in my dash (1987)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00483.jpg

nitrofan1
03-29-2009, 04:55 PM
Looks good! What kind of gauges ya running?

irishblessing
03-29-2009, 04:57 PM
I bought just the regular LED bulbs and they worked out fine in my dash (1987)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00483.jpg

looks good you should do your heater and ac controls too

Syko
03-29-2009, 06:02 PM
There sunpro
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00475.jpg

Syko
03-29-2009, 06:17 PM
Just finished the heater and ac controls... will post up some pics when it gets dark!

Syko
03-30-2009, 12:39 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00489.jpg

irishblessing
03-30-2009, 01:22 PM
sweet now your all blue im thinking about doing my dome light too i have some bright white ones in they look cool but i want to put a 3rd one in thats blue

IRKillroy
04-01-2009, 03:16 AM
I got me a crusty 88... does the green film come off with nail polish on these as well???? thanks for the help...

slycer2002
04-01-2009, 03:57 AM
Damn, I'm getting ready to do an entire dash swap when it gets warmer. Since I have to swap clusters anyway, I think I'll have to do this. As someone else said, this never even occurred to me until I read this ENTIRE 9 page thread, but now I'm hooked! I may try a white face, too, just for sh*ts and grins. I'll post pics whenever I can.

Fx4wannabe01
04-01-2009, 04:12 AM
SCREW IT! here's mine....

Cluster has 36 5mm 13000mcd LEDs. HVAC has 9 5mm 13000mcd LEDs. Fog, headlamp, and 4x4 switches each have 1 5mm 13000mcd LEDs. Cruise pods each have 2 5mm 13000mcd LED's.

Hot spots are not that bad in real life, pics make it worse than it really is. I have NO PROBLEMS seeing my needles in my Expo cluster.

Link to my build up...
http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=62796

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/After2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/After6.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/remixxxdude/IMG_0391.jpg

Fx4wannabe01
04-01-2009, 04:16 AM
so i put my lights in the other day and i'm somewhat disappointed with the result. the needles and odo shine bright blue like they should but the light barely comes through the numbers and they're still greenish. it's kind of growing on me to have bright blue needles and dim numbers though. looks kind of cool. but the question is, should i return them and get some that have a wider light diffusion or should i go with the current look? here's a before and after picture...

BEFORE
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt150/jmsmith272/clusterbefore.jpg?t=1237864802


AFTER
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt150/jmsmith272/clusterafter.jpg?t=1237864845

kind of crappy pictures, but you get the idea

You need to take apart your cluster, pull the needles, pull the 'overlays' off, wetsand the green away, then put it back together, or paint on some glass paint to manipulate the colors through.

Plug in LEDs in your clusters SUCK! Believe me...i tried before I went ahead an went with all component LED's.


like this:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2151.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2157.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2158.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2171.jpg

slycer2002
04-01-2009, 04:25 AM
Not to sound stupid, or anything, but what do you mean by 'component' LED's?

EDIT-Nevermind. I got off my arse and looked it up. How did you wire them up, out of curiosity?

Fx4wannabe01
04-01-2009, 04:37 AM
Not to sound stupid, or anything, but what do you mean by 'component' LED's?

EDIT-Nevermind. I got off my arse and looked it up. How did you wire them up, out of curiosity?


Solder. lol.



http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2184.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2183.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/TrePaul86/How%20to%20on%20gauges/IMG_2180.jpg

IRKillroy
04-01-2009, 01:20 PM
this is very innovative.


you should consider getting a film from a craft store to put on the back of your new clear openings.... then you just need to super glue around the edges and you're good... and if you ever want to change the color it's real easy.

just an idea.

Fx4wannabe01
04-01-2009, 01:35 PM
this is very innovative.


you should consider getting a film from a craft store to put on the back of your new clear openings.... then you just need to super glue around the edges and you're good... and if you ever want to change the color it's real easy.

just an idea.

My idea spawned off of John Griggs (N3elz) Cardomain for changing gauge colors....

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/296394/24

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1186/2881/2963940217_large.jpg

85_redranger
04-16-2009, 07:37 PM
How many led's would i need and what would i have to do to make all the lights( including heater controls) a nice intense red an my 85 Ranger? Also if any one has pics with the red lights i'd love to see how it looks :shok:.
Thanks

srteach
04-16-2009, 08:54 PM
Okay guys and gals, A little color theory / LED / Electrical information ....

Color theory:
Incandescent bulbs emit almost the full spectrum of light. This is done by burning a filament with (voltage * amperage = wattage), which produces a bright glow. That emitted glow includes all the colors of the rainbow, in different strengths. The reason you see green on the instrument cluster is because all the other colors are stopped by the green film. Green is let through.

LED bulbs work by excitation of a phosphor inside the cup in the solid dome, not by burning a filament. This phosphor emits light in a specific invisible wavelength. The (clear type) dome is made of a proprietary material which fluoresces and actually creates the emitted light in a different specific wavelength, which is visible. Different colors have different dome compositions. and dome shape can limit light spread from 3 to 360 degrees centered on the centerline of the dome. The green film is overpowered by the single wavelength emitted from the bulb, though they do get dimmed by the film, especially of the film is a contradictory color.

An LED is a Light Emitting Diode. It is polarity sensitive, and will not work if put in backwards. Turn them 180 degrees in the socket and they will work (if they're not damaged or bad). They typically run on 3.7 to 4.8 volts. A resistor is needed if not included with the bulb cluster. Auto LED bulbs usually have resistors built in, or are built for 12 volts.

While incandescent bulbs (194 size) can require approximately 1 watt of power or more each, LED bulbs are usually less than .2 watt each. The dimming issue is caused by the low wattage draw of the bulb circuit. There are dimable bulbs available. Low wattage can also cause thermal flashers not to flash correctly. Get auto LED bulbs or get digital flashers if this is a problem.

Because of the light pipes in the instrument cluster, 90 degrees spread is probably the best way to go for this usage.

Killion22
06-02-2009, 05:33 PM
I bought just the regular LED bulbs and they worked out fine in my dash (1987)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/DD_syko/DSC00483.jpg
How hard was it to take the guages out and switch it over?? Can you give me a play by play?? I'd like to do this to my 87 and get rid of that crappy green hazy crap that came stock!!

85_redranger
06-04-2009, 09:55 PM
I just took the little bulb covers off and it doesn't look too shabby

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/85_redranger/gauge.jpg

AllanD
06-05-2009, 02:43 PM
As I see it LED's are the greatest thing ever....

Not as a stylin' accessory.

But for replacing indicator lamp bulbs that are a complete
Royal F'ing PITA to change.

More for illumination bulbs than for indicator bulbs.
Indicator bulbs are far less failure prone.

AD

daniel3507
06-05-2009, 03:12 PM
My idea spawned off of John Griggs (N3elz) Cardomain for changing gauge colors....

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/296394/24

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1186/2881/2963940217_large.jpg

I love the look of your gauges and steering wheel. What are those things lit up down there under your ac and heat controls?

dj224ranger
06-05-2009, 03:34 PM
looks like a cb to me

IRKillroy
06-05-2009, 04:05 PM
not that far down guy... the squareish thing and horizontal rectangle

daniel3507
06-05-2009, 05:29 PM
not that far down guy... the squareish thing and horizontal rectangle

Bingo

AllanD
06-05-2009, 09:50 PM
I see... a GPS (the grey/green rectangle) kinda in the middle.

the bright white rectangle I take to be the display of either
a 2meter or 2m/70cm transciever,

and to the right I see a CB tuned to channel 35

at the bottom displaying "28.513.51" is obviously an amateur transceiver
currently tuned to the General/Extra portion of the 10meter amateur band.

Being that N3ELZ is infact a HAM...

73, N2TBI/W3

AD

IRKillroy
06-05-2009, 10:40 PM
yes, obviously an amateur transceiver..... god, you must get off on thinking you're smarter than other people...

thanks for the informative response though.

daniel3507
06-05-2009, 11:21 PM
i was thinking that the middle thing was a gps. other than that and the cb, i had no idea what the other stuff was though

Syko
06-09-2009, 04:56 AM
How hard was it to take the guages out and switch it over?? Can you give me a play by play?? I'd like to do this to my 87 and get rid of that crappy green hazy crap that came stock!!

I did a write up on how to switch over to blue LED's hope this helps.
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51655

Syko

sting88
06-19-2009, 10:53 AM
i was thinking that the middle thing was a gps. other than that and the cb, i had no idea what the other stuff was though

Looks like a Sirius receiver to me.

sting88
06-19-2009, 02:08 PM
http://www.keyrazyleds.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1&Itemid=30

This guy also sells on ebay; has "inverted" white, blue and red; 10 pack for $10 shipped.

budgettruck
07-06-2009, 02:18 PM
sorry, i'm a little confused here. Which LEDs do I need to order for my 99 Ranger? I want to make them red.

daniel3507
07-06-2009, 02:41 PM
sorry, i'm a little confused here. Which LEDs do I need to order for my 99 Ranger? I want to make them red.

http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementGuide/AutoLRG-Results.htm

thats a list of the bulbs in your truck.

this is a cross reference for led bulbs i got off superbrightleds.com
http://superbrightleds.com/bulb_cross.htm

baxtej44
07-06-2009, 03:06 PM
http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementGuide/AutoLRG-Results.htm

thats a list of the bulbs in your truck.

this is a cross reference for led bulbs i got off superbrightleds.com
http://superbrightleds.com/bulb_cross.htm

i got an error message at the sylvania website.

jmsmith76
07-06-2009, 03:10 PM
sorry, i'm a little confused here. Which LEDs do I need to order for my 99 Ranger? I want to make them red.

Don't get the WLED x4's (on superbrightleds.com). I got them in blue and they don't shine through the numbers very much at all

daniel3507
07-06-2009, 05:28 PM
okay try this one
http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementGuide/

irishblessing
07-06-2009, 10:32 PM
Don't get the WLED x4's (on superbrightleds.com). I got them in blue and they don't shine through the numbers very much at all
i have those in blue they look great!!

tony314
07-07-2009, 06:10 PM
I just ordered some blue LEDs for my ranger. Can't wait to get them!

Fx4wannabe01
07-08-2009, 04:21 AM
http://www.keyrazyleds.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1&Itemid=30

This guy also sells on ebay; has "inverted" white, blue and red; 10 pack for $10 shipped.

inverted LED's = SUCK ASS in these 95+ clusters...just so you know....

They are perfect for the 95+ heater/a/c controls though.

nickel0890
07-08-2009, 03:35 PM
what size bulbs are they?

nickel0890
07-08-2009, 03:39 PM
how did you get the steering wheel lights to change color?

Fx4wannabe01
07-08-2009, 03:50 PM
'03 and older trucks call for 194 bulbs.

how did you get the steering wheel lights to change color?

Look elsewhere in this thread for the links I posted up.

irishblessing
07-14-2009, 12:13 PM
Don't get the WLED x4's (on superbrightleds.com). I got them in blue and they don't shine through the numbers very much at all



http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/IRISHBLESSING8/96%20Ranger/P1010410.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/IRISHBLESSING8/96%20Ranger/P1020417.jpg

i first cluster is stock then i decided to upgrade and bought the cluster with the tach
i bought the WLED x4s in blue they turned out great

sting88
07-28-2009, 09:33 PM
inverted LED's = SUCK ASS in these 95+ clusters...just so you know....

They are perfect for the 95+ heater/a/c controls though.

Gotta disagree there; the "keyrazy" leds look awesome. I finally did mine and am 100% happy with them. Now, I need to do the 4x4 switch and the fog light switch. I took the blue cover off the lights to make them white.

03 EdGe 30
04-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Anyone had problems down the road with there led bulbs???

CSyd77
04-25-2011, 12:39 PM
Anyone had problems down the road with there led bulbs???

A couple of lights on one of my bulbs went out, it's probably just bad connections though

koda6966
10-04-2011, 04:48 PM
Any tips on getting the gauge face off? I head that if you just pull the needles off they wont match up ever again.

xX_STX_Xx
11-04-2011, 02:58 PM
hey guys, anyway one of yall could put up a quick how-to? video or jus instructions. as the guy up at the top of thethread says Black Rain Cloud, well i may not be that guy, but there sure is heck one that follows me lol ive got 87 Ranger, so if one of yall has a first gen and trys it, pm me or somethin. im goin with red so let me know it works out!! btw the blue leds on the vid are kick ass!

Gary101386
11-05-2011, 03:30 AM
i found this... any input on this?

FireRanger22
11-22-2011, 01:45 AM
I pulled the cluster apart the green film is the only thing on the back. The front is white. I took a qtip and nail polish remover abd it came right off just make sure you do it on a towel so it doesn't run off onto the black and white on the front I found out the hard way. I used the wlef from superbrightled but I got the ones with 5 leds for better coverage I accidentally ordered natural white instead if blue. I'm kind of glad I did.http://img.tapatalk.com/d03afc7e-43e6-2bd2.jpg

There wicked bright and it gave meeeee the idea to tint the plastic with 20% so it looks blacked out when off to match my boost gauge.

I had nail polish run threw the hole for the stop pin on the tach and it took the white off the front so I blacked out the 0,rpm,x1000, k/mh and all markings for that clean look. I just want to find red needles for it

Im quagmire I f*ck hoes, my cash flow Im gigiddygetting it

DangerRanger~91
11-22-2011, 04:40 PM
For the newer ranger guys...

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af334/DaNgerRaNger91/9058cb40.jpg

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af334/DaNgerRaNger91/DSC01016.jpg

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af334/DaNgerRaNger91/DSC01012.jpg

lone-wolf
11-22-2011, 08:29 PM
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Gary101386
12-22-2011, 08:34 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d03afc7e-43e6-2bd2.jpg


Did you roll your ODO back?

FireRanger22
12-23-2011, 01:22 AM
Yes i did

Sent from my SCH-I510

cablesNOTwires
01-13-2012, 11:59 PM
I have been reading the pages but am still a little confused, I have an 03 ranger xlt fx4, and want to put red LED's behind the cluster but not sure what type of bulb would be best. Iv been looking on superbrightleds website. Any input appreciated

Dirmaid
01-14-2012, 01:09 AM
'03 and older trucks call for 194 bulbs.


:icon_thumby: i'd go with anything not directional led wise. the wled x5 is a 220 degree beam, not many hot spots. the xhp lights are 360 degree beams but cost 5 bucks a pop

Dirmaid
01-14-2012, 01:14 AM
@DangerRanger love the red! finally some good pictures of the red leds. just ordered mine a half hour ago

@LoneWolf are you aware you were turning 7k rpm? or did your needles not line up right?

cablesNOTwires
01-14-2012, 05:39 AM
Thanks dirmaid :) ordering mine today

lone-wolf
01-15-2012, 05:01 PM
@DangerRanger love the red! finally some good pictures of the red leds. just ordered mine a half hour ago

@LoneWolf are you aware you were turning 7k rpm? or did your needles not line up right?

Instrument panel swap from 3.0 canadian into a 4.0l american truck = F'd up tach & temperature gauge.

There is a swappable 'chip' on the back of the clusters, with resistors and stuff, that I think will show the correct output when I make the switch.
And my LED connections need to be cleaned to allow a better conductivity.
It's cold outside, and I haven't bother doing any of that yet.

Dirmaid
01-18-2012, 07:14 PM
Ahh that makes sense lol. your cold and my cold are a world apart though. Down here in Louisiana once it hits 50 degrees you would think an invisible snow storm hit. i've got a couple projects i've been putting off because of it

3hokies
01-23-2012, 08:14 AM
Ok, so what is the consensus of opinion on Generation 1 (88) install. I 'm gonna go Red. how many lights and what number.

ronclark
01-24-2012, 03:51 AM
Ok, so what is the consensus of opinion on Generation 1 (88) install. I 'm gonna go Red. how many lights and what number.


I have no clue what led would give the best illumination.
If you make the conversion please post photos and the type of led you used
I am trying to decide if i want to do the conversion or not.

For a Gen 1 you will need

194's

1 Blue High-beams
2 Green Blinkers
2 Red Brakes and Seat-belts
4 Panel Illumination

74's
1 Red oil light
6 amber rear anti-lock(is more yellow than amber), 4x4, low range, emiss, check engine(88 i think as the first year to have it wired), and check oil

3hokies
01-24-2012, 08:08 AM
Hey Thanks, I have a diagram in my 88 ford shop manual but I wasn't sure of the Numbers of the bulbs.

3hokies
01-25-2012, 10:15 AM
88 Ranger Shop manual lighting diagram is up in my photo albums

87fiveoranger
02-12-2012, 01:15 AM
I got all red leds in my gauges, except for dash panel (speedometer) they are blue, i will post some pictures up tomorrow for yall guys.

tony314
02-12-2012, 12:25 PM
I gotta order some from superbrightleds soon to replace mine.

3hokies
02-13-2012, 09:55 AM
Started to install yesterday...bright white in the heat/ac looks great, red 74 in the automatic floor shift I can barely see. Too damn cold outside to finish the instrument cluster

3hokies
02-16-2012, 08:23 AM
LED installation complete and man what a difference. It only took 5 lights. Three WLED-XP5-PC RED lights for the gauges, 2-on the speedometer side, 1- on the other. One WLED XP5 WHITE for the A/C-Heat controls. And 1-74-xHP RED on the Shifter. Pretty easy install, unscrew the plastic covers on the gauges to pop-off the green caps that cover the bulbs then install the bulbs in the old twistlocks through the back of the cluster. I had the dash cover out trying to find a water leak in the windshield. I didn't change the turn signals or warning lights....waste of $$$$ To do the shifter you have to take it apart to get the green light cover off...piece of cake I'll post the pics in my albums...take a look.

GoGoggansGo
02-27-2012, 11:47 AM
I used cool white LEDs and the color came through light blue green didb't like it at first. Now I really like it because it looks like the black face gauges on the 2010 -2013 black non premium gauges. I bought 10 leds and I used 9 of them up on everything dome, glovebox, heater control, and IP hope this helps
PS. I didn't have time to swap the bulbs myself my buddy who is a master tech did all of them for 50 bucks.

Dirmaid
02-27-2012, 08:59 PM
My reds don't shine through very bright like I was expecting. Don't get me wrong I can see the gauges fine, but they just aren't "super bright". Now, most of the reason is obviously the fact that I left the green film on the back of the gauge and it's cutting the light output substantially. I really like the look of them though since it matches up with my wideband... almost like i planned it too!

GoGoggansGo
02-27-2012, 10:16 PM
My reds don't shine through very bright like I was expecting. Don't get me wrong I can see the gauges fine, but they just aren't "super bright". Now, most of the reason is obviously the fact that I left the green film on the back of the gauge and it's cutting the light output substantially. I really like the look of them though since it matches up with my wideband... almost like i planned it too!

Same hear just I can see my red accents fine just the leds are just a tad dimmer than the originals. I still tell people to use LEDs mainly it look nicer, and they last longer if done correctly

Dirmaid
02-28-2012, 12:16 AM
Same hear just I can see my red accents fine just the leds are just a tad dimmer than the originals. I still tell people to use LEDs mainly it look nicer, and they last longer if done correctly

Agreed, in the past 2 years I've owned this truck I've already had to replace over half of my bulbs. LED's are the obvious choice if you want longevity in your components, and they add a bit of customized flare depending on the color. I love how mine look and I would gladly do it again. I just wish there was a better way to get that film off the back :annoyed:

chudykGT
07-30-2012, 08:59 PM
Ok, I have a 2008 Ranger Sport 4x4. I am trying to figure out wich bulbs to be used for instrument cluster, and wich to use for hvac, and 4x4 dial.
I've been reading this page(s) and looking on superbrightled.com and am still not sure wich ones I am to be ordering.

I know I want to go nuts and get the 6led or whatever super bright wide angle ones for the instrument cluster but what type of base do I get them in?

Right now My lower dash is apart and in the garage, but I have to drive the truck to my mechanic to change a u-joint, so I dont feel like pullin gthe cluster then trying to put it back in the dark.

ANY help would be appreciated. Half the links in this 4 year long list are 404 or don't exist anymore.

chudykGT
08-03-2012, 01:40 PM
Ok. The local ford dealer is of no help. They only will say hey, the bulbs for the instrument cluster are $44 each. (27$ if u have your used car dealer licence) how it works in my city is you phone parts warehouse tell them what you want, pay them, and they will order them in and then you can pick them up. Obviously I won't pay that.
I managed to get a ford part number of 10k925 for the bulbs. Since superbright led says to be sure what you order is what you have, I'm taking the cluster out tonight, and will take pics etc.
Also, there is a teeny bulb in the 4x4 switch. Ford doesn't even sell the bulb, they say just replace the whole switch.
Aarrgh

chudykGT
08-03-2012, 07:13 PM
Ok so dash apart, there is a "Toshiba V2" plastic twist housing. From what i read online, it is a housing and the bulb should pull out.
Here is what it looks like:
8245

I can only make out this info on the bulb itself:
14v and possibly 1.25w not sure its rubbed off.
ANyone give me any sort of info on this?

Pulled out some other bulbs, I managed to get TSD 6

if you looked at the bulb from top down, reading left to right, the markings are as follows
TSD 6
14v1.25w . 5

I have NOT been able to find out anything about these bulbs. ANy help would be appreciated.

jailescape
08-04-2012, 03:16 AM
Ok so dash apart, there is a "Toshiba V2" plastic twist housing. From what i read online, it is a housing and the bulb should pull out.
Here is what it looks like:
8245

I can only make out this info on the bulb itself:
14v and possibly 1.25w not sure its rubbed off.
ANyone give me any sort of info on this?

Pulled out some other bulbs, I managed to get TSD 6

if you looked at the bulb from top down, reading left to right, the markings are as follows
TSD 6
14v1.25w . 5

I have NOT been able to find out anything about these bulbs. ANy help would be appreciated.

I actually pulled out my dash a few days ago ('95 Ford Ranger) & they were 194's (same ones used in my license plate lights). So the best idea would be to try & find a bulb that matches it somewhere inside your truck.

chudykGT
08-04-2012, 02:43 PM
Yes, 2003 and older rangers use 194s. Mine does not. It does not match anything other than the other instrument cluster bulbs. The bulb is smaller than a #74 as well, and therefore a fair amount smaller than a 194.

chudykGT
08-12-2012, 07:30 PM
The dash lights are the same size as 2721 bulbs. The ratings of the 2721 and factory Ford bulb are slightly different, but should work fine.

A few guys have said they made #74 leds fit with minimal fuss. There are many options out there.

I have ordered some #74 LEDS as well as some #24 (replace 2721 bulbs)LEDS and will try both, and see how they perform.

Dirmaid
10-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Has anyone used the single LED wedges in the gauge cluster? The reason I ask is that I'm working on a computer-controlled "light show" and would like to include the gauges in the fancy color party. The LED's i'm using aren't exactly cheap so I'd only be using one per bulb socket. I'm just trying to figure out if they're gonna be bright enough for decent shine through. This is also assuming I remove the green film on the back of the gauges. I know it's not the same as the wedge LED's that you can buy, but they're similar enough to judge if it's something worth pursuing