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Engine Swap V6 or V8


AyAnthony702

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I have a 2010 Ranger with the 2.3 in it and it's really reliable, I love my truck. I just want something with a little more kick but I want to keep my truck. I've been reading a lot about v8 swaps but is it a hard time swapping it? Would I have to basically swap the whole front end for a v8? I've also been thinking about the 4.0 v6 Rangers have. I want to keep my manual transmission so would the v6 or the v8 still work? Does the 4.0 bolt right up to everything in mine? Please share all the info you have.


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The duratec 2.3L is a unique engine. It doesn't share anything with any other engines Ford ever used in a Ranger. Any engine swap that you do would require a replacement engine, transmission, corresponding wiring harnesses, ECU, and other associated parts. Basically anything that touches the engine has to be replaced.

The Duratec is also much lighter weight than any of the engines you're considering dropping in, so the entire truck becomes heavier when you put another engine in which hurts performance, handling, and MPGs.

If it were me, I'd just enjoy the dependable, fuel efficient duratec for what it is, and save the money you'd spend on a swap towards a car that will make you happy out of the box.

If another car isn't an option, then there are performance options for the duratec that you could consider that would give you a bump in power while letting you keep the lightness, and most of the fuel efficiency of the duratec, and be less work than an entire powertrain swap.
 
The duratec 2.3L is a unique engine. It doesn't share anything with any other engines Ford ever used in a Ranger. Any engine swap that you do would require a replacement engine, transmission, corresponding wiring harnesses, ECU, and other associated parts. Basically anything that touches the engine has to be replaced.

The Duratec is also much lighter weight than any of the engines you're considering dropping in, so the entire truck becomes heavier when you put another engine in which hurts performance, handling, and MPGs.

If it were me, I'd just enjoy the dependable, fuel efficient duratec for what it is, and save the money you'd spend on a swap towards a car that will make you happy out of the box.

If another car isn't an option, then there are performance options for the duratec that you could consider that would give you a bump in power while letting you keep the lightness, and most of the fuel efficiency of the duratec, and be less work than an entire powertrain swap.

What performance upgrades are there for the 2.3?
 
What performance upgrades are there for the 2.3?

Do they have emissions testing where you live? What do you do with your truck, and what are your goals? These are important questions before you go forward.

The Duratec in your truck is part of the duratec/MZR family of 4 cylinders used in many Ford and Mazda vehicles including the Focus, Miata, and Mazdaspeed3 (It's even the basis of the new 4 cylinder Ecoboost engines). Each of those vehicles has huge aftermarket. Bolt on stuff like headers and manifolds won't work in a Ranger (Miata things might be close, but would probably take some customizing) but things like aftermarket cams and underdrive pulleys can easily be used in the Ranger.

Duratecs love boost, but boosting one in a Ranger is a totally custom job.

IF your truck has AC, it should have an electric cooling fan as well as a mechanical clutch fan. Id start by removing the clutch fan to reduce parasitic drag on the engine. This will let the engine rev faster and get into the power and more quickly, with the added benefits of freeing up a bit of power and helping the fuel economy. It's not a major thing, but it's free.

I'd also strongly consider a custom tuner from SCT that will account for any mods you've done. An added benefit is that the Efan only comes on at very high temps, but the tuner can adjust the trigger temp so that you don't overheat.

A catback exhaust can aid performance and in some cases fuel economy too in addition to adding improved sound. There are plenty of clips on YouTube of various setups on duratec Rangers.
 
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Do they have emissions testing where you live? What do you do with your truck, and what are your goals? These are important questions before you go forward.

The Duratec in your truck is part of the duratec/MZR family of 4 cylinders used in many Ford and Mazda vehicles including the Focus, Miata, and Mazdaspeed3 (It's even the basis of the new 4 cylinder Ecoboost engines). Each of those vehicles has huge aftermarket. Bolt on stuff like headers and manifolds won't work in a Ranger (Miata things might be close, but would probably take some customizing) but things like aftermarket cams and underdrive pulleys can easily be used in the Ranger.

Duratecs love boost, but boosting one in a Ranger is a totally custom job.

IF your truck has AC, it should have an electric cooling fan as well as a mechanical clutch fan. Id start by removing the clutch fan to reduce parasitic drag on the engine. This will let the engine rev faster and get into the power and more quickly, with the added benefits of freeing up a bit of power and helping the fuel economy. It's not a major thing, but it's free.

I'd also strongly consider a custom tuner from SCT that will account for any mods you've done. An added benefit is that the Efan only comes on at very high temps, but the tuner can adjust the trigger temp so that you don't overheat.

A catback exhaust can aid performance and in some cases fuel economy too in addition to adding improved sound. There are plenty of clips on YouTube of various setups on duratec Rangers.

That also leads to another question. Would the turbod speed3 fit in a ranger since they're basically the same engine?
 
Not without custom intake and exhaust manifolds. The MS3 is a FWD car where the engine is mounted transversely (sideways) so the intake manifolds and exhaust manifolds/turbo stuff wouldn't work because they face the wrong way. If you put the engine directly into the Ranger, the throttle body would be in your firewall, and the exhaust would point right out the passenger side wheel well. It's the same with Focus stuff. The only thing that might be close enough to work would be Miata stuff because they also have a longitudinal engine like the Ranger. A lot of the guys that put down big power with the duratec/MZR engine actually try and use the Ranger blocks because they're stronger and don't have unnecessary things like balance shafts and Variable Valve Timing, so I wouldn't spend the time or money to try and get an MS3 engine to work. IF you want big power out of a Duratec/MZR, the Ranger engine is actually a pretty good place to start.

Again, where do you live? What do you use the truck for, and what are your goals? What is your budget? Going further without answering these questions is kind of pointless, because the answers to these questions will greatly affect your options.
 
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Not without custom intake and exhaust manifolds. The MS3 is a FWD car where the engine is mounted transversely (sideways) so the intake manifolds and exhaust manifolds/turbo stuff wouldn't work because they face the wrong way. If you put the engine directly into the Ranger, the throttle body would be in your firewall, and the exhaust would point right out the passenger side wheel well. It's the same with Focus stuff. The only thing that might be close enough to work would be Miata stuff because they also have a longitudinal engine like the Ranger. A lot of the guys that put down big power with the duratec/MZR engine actually try and use the Ranger blocks because they're stronger and don't have unnecessary things like balance shafts and Variable Valve Timing, so I wouldn't spend the time or money to try and get an MS3 engine to work. IF you want big power out of a Duratec/MZR, the Ranger engine is actually a pretty good place to start.

Again, where do you live? What do you use the truck for, and what are your goals? What is your budget? Going further without answering these questions is kind of pointless, because the answers to these questions will greatly affect your options.

Sorry. I live in vegas and its my daily. I use it for commuting but I always like to go on trails and stuff. I currently got it lifted on 31" with a 4in lift spindle and 2in lift in the back. My friend that has a 08 2.3 ranger has the aftermarket AFE CAI. I was thinking about putting the Injen CAI but I read that it's pointless to put on a CAI but it helped my buddies truck out. Would it be beneficial for me? Also I plan on putting a exhaust on it, maybe Magnaflow. Any suggestions?
 
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There are turbo charging kits available for the 2.0l and 2.3l Duratec engines.

I have read if you stay under 10psi boost, stock engine will be fine, that should put you at or above V8 stock HP.

Turbos are nicer in one respect, your MPG remains pretty much the same on commutes, you only suck the extra fuel when your foot gets itchy, but a turbo has been know to cause a rash in the foot area, lol.

V6 or V8 sucks the fuel regardless, while "there is no replacement for displacement", it does mean MPG goes down as displacement goes up
 
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There are turbo charging kits available for the 2.0l and 2.3l Duratec engines.

Yes, but are any of them designed for a Ranger? I've never seen one. Do you have a link to any of them?
 
Sorry. I live in vegas and its my daily. I use it for commuting but I always like to go on trails and stuff. I currently got it lifted on 31" with a 4in lift spindle and 2in lift in the back. My friend that has a 08 2.3 ranger has the aftermarket AFE CAI. I was thinking about putting the Injen CAI but I read that it's pointless to put on a CAI but it helped my buddies truck out. Would it be beneficial for me? Also I plan on putting a exhaust on it, maybe Magnaflow. Any suggestions?

Ok. That's what I was afraid of. Turning big tires, and pushing a lifted truck through the air is going to be difficult for a small displacement engine. I'd focus on trying to increase torque, to turn those big meats but it's not going to be easy.

Honestly, there are better options available for off-roading than lifted 4 cylinder 2wd Rangers, and your truck would probably pull decent money that you could use to buy a more fitting vehicle. But I know that's not what you want to hear.

Since its your daily, in-depth engine mods like cams are probably out of the question. They'd add some power, but peak tq would likely be higher in the rev range, and probably not be really useful for you. Custom work like turbo installs, or any engine swaps (if you have to pass emissions tests, then the boost or engine swaps might be difficult anyway) are also pretty much off the table due to the amount of time required.

So, this is how I'd approach it if I were in your situation and determined to keep your truck:
First, regear the truck so that it can apply its torque better off road. This will help the truck feel stronger both on the road and the trails. The downside is that it can decrease fuel economy because the engine will be turning higher rpms while driving down the road. Your truck should have 3.73s, which aren't ideal with a lifted truck on big tires, but you'll have to weigh that with the mpg trade off since its your daily.
For the engine, I'd focus on reducing the parasitic drag as much as possible. This will free up some HP and TQ and will probably improve your fuel economy as a daily. The best ways to do this on a Duratec are to install an underdrive pulley, and delete the factory clutch fan. Since you're in Vegas where it gets pretty hot, I would wait on the fan removal until you can get a custom SCT tuner to adjust the trigger temp of the Efan. This is also supposed to be a great way to wake the Duratec up a bit, and can correct the speedo for your larger tires. Adding an intake and or exhaust may help a bit, but don't expect too much. We're dealing with a 4cylinder here. I have a K&N on my otherwise stock 01 Duratec, and didn't notice much of a change other than the sound above 3000rpms. It definitely sounds stronger, but I'm skeptical that it made much actual improvement in power or torque and had no change in fuel economy.

So, with the gear change, underdrive pulley, tuner, intake, and exhaust you have some options to wake things up. You just have to decide if it's worth spending the time and money on a 4cylinder truck instead of getting a different truck/SUV.
 
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Ok. That's what I was afraid of. Turning big tires, and pushing a lifted truck through the air is going to be difficult for a small displacement engine. I'd focus on trying to increase torque, to turn those big meats but it's not going to be easy.

Honestly, there are better options available for off-roading than lifted 4 cylinder 2wd Rangers, and your truck would probably pull decent money that you could use to buy a more fitting vehicle. But I know that's not what you want to hear.

Since its your daily, in-depth engine mods like cams are probably out of the question. They'd add some power, but peak tq would likely be higher in the rev range, and probably not be really useful for you. Custom work like turbo installs, or any engine swaps (if you have to pass emissions tests, then the boost or engine swaps might be difficult anyway) are also pretty much off the table due to the amount of time required.

So, this is how I'd approach it if I were in your situation and determined to keep your truck:
First, regear the truck so that it can apply its torque better off road. This will help the truck feel stronger both on the road and the trails. The downside is that it can decrease fuel economy because the engine will be turning higher rpms while driving down the road. Your truck should have 3.73s, which aren't ideal with a lifted truck on big tires, but you'll have to weigh that with the mpg trade off since its your daily.
For the engine, I'd focus on reducing the parasitic drag as much as possible. This will free up some HP and TQ and will probably improve your fuel economy as a daily. The best ways to do this on a Duratec are to install an underdrive pulley, and delete the factory clutch fan. Since you're in Vegas where it gets pretty hot, I would wait on the fan removal until you can get a custom SCT tuner to adjust the trigger temp of the Efan. This is also supposed to be a great way to wake the Duratec up a bit, and can correct the speedo for your larger tires. Adding an intake and or exhaust may help a bit, but don't expect too much. We're dealing with a 4cylinder here. I have a K&N on my otherwise stock 01 Duratec, and didn't notice much of a change other than the sound above 3000rpms. It definitely sounds stronger, but I'm skeptical that it made much actual improvement in power or torque and had no change in fuel economy.

So, with the gear change, underdrive pulley, tuner, intake, and exhaust you have some options to wake things up. You just have to decide if it's worth spending the time and money on a 4cylinder truck instead of getting a different truck/SUV.

Yeah I forgot about regearing I was gonna go with 4.10 because it's im between good mpg and a bit more torque. What tuner do you recommend?
 

That kit is really just some random pieces of piping and a turbo header for a Duratec in a FWD application. I know that the auction says it will fit Rangers in the list of vehicles, but it also says that it would fit Fusions, Milans, and Escapes all of which are FWD. It cannot fit both transverse and longitudinal applications. So what that kit is selling is a turbo with a header that would have to be modified, and a bunch of piping that would have to be modified. It's far from an easy "bolt on in a weekend" kind of kit for a Ranger. Like I said, Duratecs love boost, but the only way to boost one in a Ranger is by doing lots of custom work.

As far as tuners go, I suggest an SCT product. They have several models, just make sure it's programmed by a pro to take your mods into account and give you the best possible results.
 
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