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Old 02-18-2009, 02:05 PM   #1
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Question New 4.2L FWD motor to 3L auto Ranger?

The 4.2L in my Freestar looks to be the same block as the 3.8L in my old Windstar. If ever the opporunity arises would the 4.2L FWD fit as does the old 3.8L FWD? If you have driven the new F-stars, the HP is only around 200 but the torque is nice at 268 and the curve is 3600 to 4200 rpm. Which makes it a very nice driving engine for the weight van is slightly heaver than 2002 Edge extra cab 2 door.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:31 PM   #2
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since a 4.2 is simply a stroked 3.8 i think it would be nice, the question is are the bolt patterns the same. til somebody takes one out and confirms its a 3.0 pattern not a 5.0 pattern i dont think anybody will attempt it.
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According to one of the websites that talks about Ford trans bolt patterns, the FWD 3.8 / 4.2 L V6 motors have the same trans bolt pattern as the Ranger 3.0 V6.

That is what I have read, I have not seen the parts in question, so proceed with caution.

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According to one of the websites that talks about Ford trans bolt patterns, the FWD 3.8 / 4.2 L V6 motors have the same trans bolt pattern as the Ranger 3.0 V6.

That is what I have read, I have not seen the parts in question, so proceed with caution.

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The bolt pattern is also the same between the 3.8 V6 and the 4.6 V8 which gives a multitude of engine swap choices.
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The bolt pattern is also the same between the 3.8 V6 and the 4.6 V8 which gives a multitude of engine swap choices.
The 3.8L V6 in a Rear Wheel drive application will share the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the modular mustang V8s. The 3.8L V6 found in front wheel drive (trans-axle) applications will share the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the vulcan 3.0L V6. In order to bolt a 3.8L/4.2L V6 to the 3.0L vulcan's transmission, you would need to find one out of a FWD vehicle.
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The 3.8L V6 in a Rear Wheel drive application will share the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the modular mustang V8s.
Doesn't a RWD 3.8L have a SBF bellhousing? Or did Ford make the RWD 3.8L in both SBF and Modular bellhousings.
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Doesn't a RWD 3.8L have a SBF bellhousing? Or did Ford make the RWD 3.8L in both SBF and Modular bellhousings.
I believe some early 4.6Ls had a Windsor bellhousing instead of the modular. But yes, the RWD 3.8L has a Windsor bellhousing. FWD is the Vulcan. The AOD I am using for my 302 swap is off a 1990 3.8L Super Coupe.

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Not all the 3.8's have a Winsor bellhousing.

I can tell you for certain that the manual trans I have out of a Thunderbird Supercoop is most definatly NOT a windsor bellhousing.

I got the trans in the hope of using it to make a 2wd 5.0 Ranger
without using a cable clutch or an "R2" F-series transmission.

That hope died as soon as I had the trans next to the 5.0 engine
I had at the time.

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That's strange, what year did it come out of? The AOD that came out of a 1990 3.8L Super Coupe that I am using for my V8 swap bolted right up to my 5.0L no problems. Even bolted right up to the stock cross member and mount after moving it forward a notch on the frame.

What's weird is that the T-Bird wiki page (I know it's not %100 accurate) says that they used an M5R2 (or the link points to the M5OD Mazda) in 89-97 Super Coupes. Seems strange they'd change the bell at will like in Dodge trucks.



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Not all the 3.8's have a Winsor bellhousing.

I can tell you for certain that the manual trans I have out of a Thunderbird Supercoop is most definatly NOT a windsor bellhousing.

I got the trans in the hope of using it to make a 2wd 5.0 Ranger
without using a cable clutch or an "R2" F-series transmission.

That hope died as soon as I had the trans next to the 5.0 engine
I had at the time.

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Can you send pictures of that transmission? I've been around supercoupes and other IRS thunderbirds for years, and every 3.8 car has has had the windsor bellhousing. Same thing with my '82 grenada 3.8 V6 and the early fox 3.8's I've worked on.
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