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That'll kill you double dead!!Tesla used takata airbags too.
I just have an acreage, I am not a "real" farmer. I deal with them every day though, right now they are all running anhydrous. It has been a constant parade of of pickups pulling tanks out of town as harvest winds down. They go out to wherever they are working, unhook and get parked by the fence until the tanks run out and then it is back to town to trade it in for another. They do this every day it is fit until the ground gets too hard or until they get done. I don't know how an EV would like this, heavy towing and sitting outside a long ways from power during typically cold and dreary weather.Lots of farmers in my neck of the woods too. What does an average day look like for you and your truck? What do you do? How much of it's capabilities do you use, and is that worth the cost of operating it? It's fine to have a truck for truck things, but that doesn't mean I need to drive one everywhere I go.
An EV costs about $0.03/mile driven with average electric rates of $0.13/kwh. At current fuel prices, a new Ranger costs about $0.11/mile, and an 06 F150 with a 5.4 costs about $0.17/mile:
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Compare the MPG of cars and trucks side-by-side. Compare the gas mileage and greenhouse gas emissions of new and used cars and truckswww.fueleconomy.gov
If you put 15k miles per year on those vehicles, the EV would be $2k cheaper EVERY YEAR than the old F150 just in fuel. Not including maintenance, or a rise in gas prices. Trucks are a great tool, but they're not always the best tool. I'd really suggest looking doing the customized comparison route with your vehicle and any EV to see if the math would work out enough to justify an EV purchase or not> Here's a link to the fully customizeable tool:
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Personalize your fuel economy estimates using your annual mileage, driving conditions, and fuel costs.www.fueleconomy.gov
Actually empty/nearly empty gas tanks are more flammable than full gas tanks.not gonna add fuel or gasoline to this fire. Discharged batteries are not a problem. Just like empty gas tanks dont explode or catch fire.
I don't expect electric to make any breaks into agriculture until its more of a hybrid form. Gas and Diesel will continue to be king for quite some time for these uses. I do wonder if there was as many charging stations as gas stations if it would speed up adoption of electric in some of these places.I just have an acreage, I am not a "real" farmer. I deal with them every day though, right now they are all running anhydrous. It has been a constant parade of of pickups pulling tanks out of town as harvest winds down. They go out to wherever they are working, unhook and get parked by the fence until the tanks run out and then it is back to town to trade it in for another. They do this every day it is fit until the ground gets too hard or until they get done. I don't know how an EV would like this, heavy towing and sitting outside a long ways from power during typically cold and dreary weather.
During planting they run around seed tenders, summer bale carriers, fall combine heads... they get ran quite a bit.
My '150 is kind of a one stop shop. For awhile last winter it was the only thing that could get thru the snow to the highway, I run equipment around as needed, I went down to Kansas a few years ago to pickup a 4 bottom plow with a trailer. Acquired a new-to-me tractor a couple years ago that didn't run so the ol' 150 hauled it home. I also pick up large appliances/carpet an hour away in Omaha. I had to put in a water line a couple years ago so it pulled the trencher out. It does... whatever I need done. I would be lost without it.
Honestly I would rather get a cheap beater Taurus or something like that than a EV. But that is another thing to put tires on, a battery in, plates on, insure...
Using very round numbers I run any $1.5k worth of gas thru my ‘150 a year which even if you double that it doesn’t leave a lot of room for a fuel miser with more upkeep and probably payments to come out ahead.
Actually empty/nearly empty gas tanks are more flammable than full gas tanks.
I doubt having the closest public charging station an hour away helps any at all.I don't expect electric to make any breaks into agriculture until its more of a hybrid form. Gas and Diesel will continue to be king for quite some time for these uses. I do wonder if there was as many charging stations as gas stations if it would speed up adoption of electric in some of these places.
My vehicles are used everyday. The wife and I drive over 100k a year even tho we don't have traveling jobs. Electric has saved me lots of $$ on gas and maintenance already.
Obviously buying old, heavily depreciated stuff is better than buying new. I'd say you're probably doing it right. But I think it's funny that people get so worried about the fringe cases that they often let them dictate a large, expensive purchase. If you're new vehicle shopping and make a couple of long trips per year, you don't have to have an ICE. The money saved on fuel costs can pay for an ICE rental if you're really worried about EV range. If you need a truck full of mulch a couple of times per year, you can buy a cheap car and use the fuel savings to pay for mulch delivery. I'm not going to buy a house with 3 extra bedrooms for the 4 days a year that out of town family comes to visit. I'm going to buy a smaller house and use the money saved to foot a hotel bill for them and still come out ahead. The farmers by our houses that need a work truck for a couple of weeks at a time, a couple of times per year would likely be better off buying an EV and a used truck than something new. Or renting a work truck when needed, even though that's the most "unfarmer" thing that I can imagine them doing.I just have an acreage, I am not a "real" farmer. I deal with them every day though, right now they are all running anhydrous. It has been a constant parade of of pickups pulling tanks out of town as harvest winds down. They go out to wherever they are working, unhook and get parked by the fence until the tanks run out and then it is back to town to trade it in for another. They do this every day it is fit until the ground gets too hard or until they get done. I don't know how an EV would like this, heavy towing and sitting outside a long ways from power during typically cold and dreary weather.
During planting they run around seed tenders, summer bale carriers, fall combine heads... they get ran quite a bit.
My '150 is kind of a one stop shop. For awhile last winter it was the only thing that could get thru the snow to the highway, I run equipment around as needed, I went down to Kansas a few years ago to pickup a 4 bottom plow with a trailer. Acquired a new-to-me tractor a couple years ago that didn't run so the ol' 150 hauled it home. I also pick up large appliances/carpet an hour away in Omaha. I had to put in a water line a couple years ago so it pulled the trencher out. It does... whatever I need done. I would be lost without it.
Honestly I would rather get a cheap beater Taurus or something like that than a EV. But that is another thing to put tires on, a battery in, plates on, insure...
Using very round numbers I run any $1.5k worth of gas thru my ‘150 a year which even if you double that it doesn’t leave a lot of room for a fuel miser with more upkeep and probably payments to come out ahead.
I mean setup 1 for 1. So for each gas pump there is a fast supercharger. even tho most people would never really need to stop. in 7 months my wife had to use a supercharger instead of our home charger during her daily commute twice and in both instances she drove over 600 miles that day.I doubt having the closest public charging station an hour away helps any at all.
I live in farm country and anymore I feel like none of those trucks have stuff in bed unless its scrap junk that been sitting in bed for the trucks whole life. Farmers around me are towing hay and horse trailers. They don't need a bed they just need something that can tow alot and trailers are cheapObviously buying old, heavily depreciated stuff is better than buying new. I'd say you're probably doing it right. But I think it's funny that people get so worried about the fringe cases that they often let them dictate a large, expensive purchase. If you're new vehicle shopping and make a couple of long trips per year, you don't have to have an ICE. The money saved on fuel costs can pay for an ICE rental if you're really worried about EV range. If you need a truck full of mulch a couple of times per year, you can buy a cheap car and use the fuel savings to pay for mulch delivery. I'm not going to buy a house with 3 extra bedrooms for the 4 days a year that out of town family comes to visit. I'm going to buy a smaller house and use the money saved to foot a hotel bill for them and still come out ahead. The farmers by our houses that need a work truck for a couple of weeks at a time, a couple of times per year would likely be better off buying an EV and a used truck than something new. Or renting a work truck when needed, even though that's the most "unfarmer" thing that I can imagine them doing.
People rationalize their purchases in funny ways, but it seems especially prevalent in the EV discussion. Everybody talks about how an EV won't work for their annual long road trip, or because they tow a boat twice a year or something. For most people, their vehicle does those things a very small percentage of the time. Most of the time it's just sitting there taking up space, or driving to/from work with a single person inside. I think a lot of people would benefit from rethinking purchases like that and focusing on the tool that works the best for the way they use a vehicle the most. You don't need a lifted jeep on 33s to go to the grocery store. You don't need a King Ranch F250 to commute to work alone. If you want those things for emotional reasons, that's your right, but make an informed and educated decision rather than impulsively thinking that something different might not work simply because it's different.
i agree with alot youve said. if i could afford an ev id love to have one, BUT i do need a truck. i daily drive a duramax 2500. does that mean that i have a bed full of work stuff, and a 10,000 pound trailer behind me every day? no. but i go camping more weekends than not and because i cant afford a 3rd car im stuck with the 2500 as a daily driver. or on fridays the race truck ranger. the 14k towing capacity of the cybertruck would be a very happy solution to that.Obviously buying old, heavily depreciated stuff is better than buying new. I'd say you're probably doing it right. But I think it's funny that people get so worried about the fringe cases that they often let them dictate a large, expensive purchase. If you're new vehicle shopping and make a couple of long trips per year, you don't have to have an ICE. The money saved on fuel costs can pay for an ICE rental if you're really worried about EV range. If you need a truck full of mulch a couple of times per year, you can buy a cheap car and use the fuel savings to pay for mulch delivery. I'm not going to buy a house with 3 extra bedrooms for the 4 days a year that out of town family comes to visit. I'm going to buy a smaller house and use the money saved to foot a hotel bill for them and still come out ahead. The farmers by our houses that need a work truck for a couple of weeks at a time, a couple of times per year would likely be better off buying an EV and a used truck than something new. Or renting a work truck when needed, even though that's the most "unfarmer" thing that I can imagine them doing.
People rationalize their purchases in funny ways, but it seems especially prevalent in the EV discussion. Everybody talks about how an EV won't work for their annual long road trip, or because they tow a boat twice a year or something. For most people, their vehicle does those things a very small percentage of the time. Most of the time it's just sitting there taking up space, or driving to/from work with a single person inside. I think a lot of people would benefit from rethinking purchases like that and focusing on the tool that works the best for the way they use a vehicle the most. You don't need a lifted jeep on 33s to go to the grocery store. You don't need a King Ranch F250 to commute to work alone. If you want those things for emotional reasons, that's your right, but make an informed and educated decision rather than impulsively thinking that something different might not work simply because it's different.
I wasn't trying to imply that. I was just trying to say when people start laying blanket statements down about "most people" a lot of times they think "most people" are like them (the people making the statements)if an electric vehicle doesnt fit your needs cuz you have to drive 500 miles up hill both ways to the nearest grocery store that doesnt mean its not useful for someone else. one thing people often forget is not everyone's situation is like their own, not every one whos interested in a truck is a farmer in the rust belt.
Oh i know they do.
However...i would be interested to see what would happen up a decent hill from a stop with a good load if you started in 2nd to take the low 1st gear out of the equation.
My next truck is very likely to be a 2011+ F150 (yours is an expy right?), but im gettin the 5.0.
470 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm. SIR!Have you ever even tried to understand how an Ecoboost works?
It's a low rpm engine. A wild and happy ridiculous result of oil control technology and monster inferred logic programming.
If you educate yourself a little...you would not have to wonder about your scenario as listed.
It's pathetic....no contest.
There is nowhere on its output... where any big 3 brand OEM .... 3/4 or 1 ton truck with a big block from the last century out performs it.
It will embarrass a stock 460 gear to gear at all points and especially on steep hills. And double extra special at towing up and over 10000 feet. Whether it has a 10 speed auto..
Nv4500...or a t 18...
470 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm. SIR!
On the whole the entire shale oil industry is very low net energy - it takes almost as much energy to get the oil as you get back by burning it. In the details someone always makes money in such a fraud, just as money was made in the giant mortgage bubble that popped in 2008. The wells deplete fast and they do the most promising ones first, so fields decline fast too. No, it's a big bubble that will fail, and the bankers will laugh while the rest of us pay for it. Privatize the profits and socialize the losses.really?
bad loans to keep shale oil pumping at a loss.?.?
what is the lift cost of the average shale well.?.? with your statement....it would be what...?? 70bbl.....
is that accurate.....or is 20-25bbl. a closer measure?.?.?
oil is not a free market commodity in most places. outside of the us and ioc's....generally it is state owned. and no country in opec or east of there plays by the rules. especially china....there is no such thing as free trade with china.
the bakken is real light...too light. the light ends and ngl's are potentially an issue with vapor pressure. that has a cost to mitigate it. back in 15 there was some smoke and mirrors bullshit on the legal side....but that shit aint going for no loss. there is no easy money in the industry the last two years outside of some huge swaps and sells with places trying to outrun that debt your referring too.