Reductive Design... from Ford CEO

[1990RangerinSK]

You know...

Its no wonder sales are slipping. They are building computerized "devices" on wheels who only appeal to millenials and other "tech" folks who would rather just uber anyways.

Then you got HUGE swaths of the population unserved.

I'll have you know, I'm NOT a millennial, I was born 10 years too early. Yet, in my 40's, I want some of those features that they're offering, today. And, yes, I can drive that stickshift that you think nobody will steal. *giggle* were you dumb enough to leave the keys in it, thinking that nobody would steal it, because it's got a clutch? Guess what.... It's in my driveway, now. Want it back, come get it! And, next time, LOCK IT UP, AND DON'T LEAVE THE KEYS IN IT!!!!!

 

[DeathRanger]

None of my vehicles have any screens in them, I have a gauge cluster and manual HVAC controls and manual radio controls, extremely simple to use and find without having to search for them and without having to play with a tablet and play find the app LOL.

Not sure how the safety institute even allowed those damn built in tablets that's more of a distraction than a damn cell phone I think especially if the driver is the one trying to figure out which of the 50+ menus the setting is to turn the hvac fan up or down for example.

even the fanciest of vehicle with a large touchscreen has a small dedicated spot on bottom of screen with 2 arrows for climate control. press them to change temp. no reading books. just press button

 

[wildbill23c]

what settings are you changing while driving?

I don't change anything, I set stuff before I leave, and if I need to turn the HVAC system to a different setting I do it at a stop light most of the time but I can change all that without taking my eyes off the road as the controls are always in the same spot no digging through a menu trying to find a setting or to change a radio station (my controls for that are on the back of the steering wheel in my Jeep) and the radio doesn't work in my Bronco 2 .

I assume you've never been in a new(er) vehicle with everything built into that stupid tablet in the dash? If you have you'd know what I mean trying to find the controls to stuff like the HVAC settings, radio, heated/cooled/massaging seats, etc. while flying down the interstate...yep that's why I love my manual controls, they're always right in the same spot no digging through a tablet that may freeze up at any moment (happens quite frequently).

 

[1990RangerinSK]

As for ABS, I've had ABS stop me in situations where not having it, I would have hit the idiot who pulled in front of me. Yes, that was on ice, with snow on top of it. ABS works well, when you use it correctly.

How do you CORRECTLY use ABS? Mash the pedal, and HOLD. Do NOT lift your foot, until you come to a stop, you'll just confuse the computer. And if you're not stopping fast enough, push the pedal harder.

I've driven both, and I'd much rather have ABS than not have it.

The other thing that ABS does, that NOBODY who hates it has said, is allow your tires to grab. It's easier for tires to grab when they're rolling, than when they're sliding.

 

[DeathRanger]

I don't change anything, I set stuff before I leave, and if I need to turn the HVAC system to a different setting I do it at a stop light most of the time but I can change all that without taking my eyes off the road as the controls are always in the same spot no digging through a menu trying to find a setting or to change a radio station (my controls for that are on the back of the steering wheel in my Jeep) and the radio doesn't work in my Bronco 2 .

I assume you've never been in a new(er) vehicle with everything built into that stupid tablet in the dash? If you have you'd know what I mean trying to find the controls to stuff like the HVAC settings, radio, heated/cooled/massaging seats, etc. while flying down the interstate...yep that's why I love my manual controls, they're always right in the same spot no digging through a tablet that may freeze up at any moment (happens quite frequently).

I'm only saying the design around the large screens is way better than the old touchscreen junk. The things you need to access are on the front screens and easily available.

I own a 2019 ranger and my wife drives a 2019 Tesla Model 3. I've never had to do anything except change radio station or change temp up/down which both take 1 button press

 

[rusty ol ranger]

As for ABS, I've had ABS stop me in situations where not having it, I would have hit the idiot who pulled in front of me. Yes, that was on ice, with snow on top of it. ABS works well, when you use it correctly.

How do you CORRECTLY use ABS? Mash the pedal, and HOLD. Do NOT lift your foot, until you come to a stop, you'll just confuse the computer. And if you're not stopping fast enough, push the pedal harder.

I've driven both, and I'd much rather have ABS than not have it.

The other thing that ABS does, that NOBODY who hates it has said, is allow your tires to grab. It's easier for tires to grab when they're rolling, than when they're sliding.

Youd rather have it because you cant drive.

You panic.

Ill bet you i can get a non abs'ed vehicle stopped just as fast and with just as much control as you need abs for.

Not to mention ABS is absolutly worthless and does not stop you any faster then normal brakes.

Also, if you pay attention and drive at a sane speed you shouldnt be in a situation to make a panic stop.

 

[pjtoledo]

in the meantime,,, I'm perfectly content with my 2005 XL that has absolutely no fancy gizmos on it.
it's my preferred vehicle of choice for puttin' around. on my occasional trips to northern Michigan I turn the radio off and listen
to the Duratec hum for hours. just me, "Junior", and a dark empty interstate.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I'm only saying the design around the large screens is way better than the old touchscreen junk. The things you need to access are on the front screens and easily available.

I own a 2019 ranger and my wife drives a 2019 Tesla Model 3. I've never had to do anything except change radio station or change temp up/down which both take 1 button press

Neither beat this....

Or this....

 

[bobbywalter]

I just want 2 solid axles, a 7liter-ish OHV V8, manual trans, reg cab with an 8ft box, crank windows, manual transfer case/hubs and rubber floors for less then 30k.

Is that to much to ask?

i think your going to get that.

 

[DeathRanger]

Neither beat this....

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Or this....

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How do I listen to a podcast on this? lol

 

[pjtoledo]

How do I listen to a podcast on this? lol

bring wife

 

[1990RangerinSK]

Youd rather have it because you cant drive.

You panic.

Ill bet you i can get a non abs'ed vehicle stopped just as fast and with just as much control as you need abs for.

Not to mention ABS is absolutly worthless and does not stop you any faster then normal brakes.

Also, if you pay attention and drive at a sane speed you shouldnt be in a situation to make a panic stop.

I find that insulting, and OFFENSIVE. The times I REALLY needed it when I had it, it was because I had *complete* control of my car, but some idiot pulled out in front of me, thinking he was on dry pavement.

1) I was driving at a sane speed
2) Some idiot decided to turn in front of me. Without ABS, I'd have slid into something (either HIM, or something else).
3) SHUT UP!! You have NO idea, other than what you THINK. You weren't there.

** Edited by 1990RangerinSK to remove phrase "like you", since a moderator reminded me that name calling is frowned upon. **

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I find that insulting, and OFFENSIVE. The times I REALLY needed it when I had it, it was because I had *complete* control of my car, but some idiot like YOU pulled out in front of me, thinking he was on dry pavement.

1) I was driving at a sane speed
2) Some idiot decided to turn in front of me. Without ABS, I'd have slid into something (either HIM, or something else).
3) SHUT UP!! You have NO idea, other than what you THINK. You weren't there.

I personally dont care if you find it offensive.

People (including myself) has avoided this very same scenario numerous times without ABS.

You wanna call my vehicles "heaps" but atleast they are driven competently.

Oh and idiot like me eh? Stay in saskatchawan son cause i dont want you to have to insult me to my face.

 

[G8orFord]

When I get in my F250, I push the start button (even if it's already running from the remote start), pull the selector into drive and go. The temperature is set where I left it last time, as is the radio. If I get a call, I choose to answer it or not with a button on the steering wheel. I'm not sure where people think that everything has to be done through a touch screen. Yes, I have one, and yes, sometimes I use it for the functions it serves, but I'm not dependent on it. Most of the common functions are still done by a knob or button, many are available by simply pressing a button on the steering wheel and telling it what you want. No taking your eyes off the road or any other distractions. Don't try to tell me that these things add to distractions.

In my Ranger, the start process is similar, but after that it's much more involved. The temperature and A/C setting isn't necessarily where it needs to be. Maybe it was sunny and hot the last time I drove and now it's dark and cold, now I need to adjust the climate controls. Not a big deal for sure, but it's something I need to do and it can contribute to distraction. I could go on, but it's pointless.

This is kinda like arguing over pineapple on pizza.

#thatwillprobablychangethetopicforawhile

 

[rusty ol ranger]

i think your going to get that.

Not a manual tranny i wont....lol.