head gasket job ...what are these and are they needed where do they go


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doing a head gasket job some harrowing experiences but I remember one of these falling out lifiting the head before I put them in the trunk to take to the machine shop …. I got a bunch more with the head gasket kit I assume there a type of head mount washer but purpose is alluding me and location ….the s type gaskets are for the lower intake manifold but all the diy turorials don't make mention of use of such I know there is a bead of permetex that goes in the front and back of the motor but I havnt seen these used and is it a good idea and do I still use the permetex good or bad ?

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I usually put a light bead of silicone on the block and then place the strip gaskets in place and let it set up a while, it helps hold them in place as the intake goes down. Then put a dab of silicone in the corners at the heads.

I can't see the other set of parts well enough to tell what they are. If they are actual washers they may go on the head bolts, but usually new head bolts will come with washers on them already.
 

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too small for headbolts they were on the head or block mating surface there light aluminum there is like twelve of them but the heads I pulled only seemed to have a few of them at least im uncertain I lost that many :/ there for some of the feed throughs I guess just don't know the prudence or locations like I said cant be bolt holes there too small .... he ha we never had those strips before im all for it save on permetex there is too much of a bead there but first time as diy and turtorials don't mention application or use just permetex
 

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too small for headbolts they were on the head or block mating surface there light aluminum there is like twelve of them but the heads I pulled only seemed to have a few of them at least im uncertain I lost that many there for some of the feed throughs I just don't know the prudence or locations like I said cant be bolt holes there too small .... he ha we never had those strips before im all for it save on permetex there is too much of a bead there but first time as diy and turtorials don't mention application or use just permetex
 

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They aren't the anti-crush bits that go in the valve cover gaskets are they?
 

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They wouldn't be rocker spacers/shims would they?
 

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a little bit of rust and using the black ultra will make your valve cover job interesting but I would want more surface area …. on the head mating surfaces anti crush washer for the head gasket ????? or help guide for oil transport ??? to help the edges of the gaskets ? from oil migration ill see if they fit in the oil passages when I open the pack …. oil may challenge gasket edges but like above no diagram

some holes are not flush as in sharp but have been beveled the washer must be recessed about the thickness of the gasket there is not fresher head gasket tutorial with these ???????? If I even knew the name of the them I could do a more accurate search on the web …. ford knows what they are need a senior mechanic


my last set of gaskets were interesting taking off a lot of the silver so called aluminum gets left behind I used some copper spray too now that stuff is real interesting It gets hard like ceramic I had a checkerboard of silver and copper peelings from the head gasket and residues on the heads and block ….PU :/

the gaskets tore peeling it back I could feel the layers cracking probably shouldn't use the copper spray it does change complexity with heat like firing a glaze maybe just the exhaust ports
 

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No, little metal rings in the valve cover gasket's bolt hole. They are supposed to keep things centered and keep the VC from getting warped.
 

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your right there for the valve covers the fact I found one on the block after removing the heads is it must of fell in over the years actually I found two or three ...evidently when the truck was serviced ! .. I must be on ludes or something I found them after when pulling up the heads ...are you ready im almost ready then to mount the heads
 

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I used permetex ultra the last time under and over the gasket it was a burner to get em off tweeked one of the covers a little ... there getting old and a little rusty in spots the washers don't fit on top do they? fit between the holes in the gasket? ….there dangerous evidently falling into the head must be a small nitemare waiting : /

"""No, little metal rings in the valve cover gasket's bolt hole. They are supposed to keep things centered and keep the VC from getting warped."""
 

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thanks they way I found them is evident that they got spilled around
 


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