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compression ratio, whats too much?


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Shouldn't be a problem on the street, but like others have said, simply run a higher octane if you have any issues. I run 92 or 93 octane (that's the highest available here). I filled up one day & the 93 octane pump was out of order so I used 87. I started having a knocking problem later that day. A bottle of 104 octane booster took care of the problem. I've used nothing, but high octane ever since. I also run 100% gas & avoid ethanol.
 


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Warning boring, engineering post; might want to skip to bottom:

Octane is a hydrocarbon molecule – C8H18. The Octane Rating System defined pure Octane as having value of 100 and Heptane (C7H16) as having a value of 0 when run in the standard variable compression engine – much like water boils at 100°C and freezes at 0°C. The rating system only defines how susceptible the fuel is to knock, it has nothing to do with heat content.

For Research Octane Number (RON), the engine is run at 600 rpm, for Motor Octane Number (MON), the engine is run at 900 rpm/fuel mixture is preheated and ignition timing varied which provides a more accurate number on how fuel will burn in carbureted engine. The number at the pump is average of 2.

So, 87 octane fuel, theoretically would be 87% Octane and 13% Heptane. But practice rarely matches theory.

At refinery, unless you have pure feedstock, you are going to have to modify the product to meet the specification (and you are going add detergents, stabilizers, water, etc). And you are going to want to spend the minimum you can to meet the requirement. So, if I can slip in a little Hexadecane (C16H34) – which would have a negative Octane number (about -30), but add a little more Octane, i.e. a mix of 88% Octane/9% Heptane/3%Hexdecane, you could deliver a cheaper product, that still meets the specification. Alternatively, the spec could be met with some Hexane (C6H14) which has Octane number of about 25. e.g. 85% Octane/7% Heptane/8%Hexane. And refineries get super complex with a whole list of hydrocarbons to make up your gasoline.

Now, Octane has enthropy of combustion of ~5.5MJ/mol, Heptane about 10% less, Hexane about 20% less, and Hexadecane about double. So, solution two has 10% more energy/volume than theoretical solution while solution three has 10% than theory.

The theoretical gas is very consistent in its knock properties; the practical, with their varied mixtures, not so much. The better the companies engineers, the worse product you are getting at pump…

In the good olde days, refineries cranked out sludge and added tetraethyl lead (CH3CH2)4Pb – 1g/liter was worth 10+ octane points…

To OP: I would stick with a 331 – in fact I have. 3.4” stroke is just too long for a 5.0 block to enjoy longevity (IMNSHO).
 

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Diesel is a totally diffent engine. My 6.0 powerstroke is thw same way.
Lol i know...i was just injecting some smart ass into the thread.
 

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Carb or EFI?

Factory EFI with a knock sensor is your best bet for eliminating knock as Ron mentioned. Aftermarket EFI is second best (better fuel distribution than carb/TBI).

You may have to tailor the compression ratio to how you drive it. For instance, if you plan to tow, you want to run lower compression.

You can crutch the compression ratio a bit by running a cam that lowers the dynamic compression ratio. Usually high duration numbers with wide lobe separation numbers will lower dynamic compression. There are dynamic compression ratio calculators available on the internet.

I ran into this with a Comp 268 on my straight-six powered full size Bronco. Pinged like crazy at 9.5:1. Think it was the lobe separation angle of 110 degrees that caused it. Switched to a stock cam with wider separation angles and the ping went away.
 

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Carb or EFI?

Factory EFI with a knock sensor is your best bet for eliminating knock as Ron mentioned. Aftermarket EFI is second best (better fuel distribution than carb/TBI).

You may have to tailor the compression ratio to how you drive it. For instance, if you plan to tow, you want to run lower compression.

You can crutch the compression ratio a bit by running a cam that lowers the dynamic compression ratio. Usually high duration numbers with wide lobe separation numbers will lower dynamic compression. There are dynamic compression ratio calculators available on the internet.

I ran into this with a Comp 268 on my straight-six powered full size Bronco. Pinged like crazy at 9.5:1. Think it was the lobe separation angle of 110 degrees that caused it. Switched to a stock cam with wider separation angles and the ping went away.
I ran a 12:1 steel head 383 sbc stroker on pump gas because of this very reason on the street just driving . Huge durations numbers will bleed off some of the compression
 

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Yes, and if exhaust valve stays open a bit longer then intake stroke will suck in some exhaust gases so an EGR system without the EGR valve
This keeps cylinder temps lower so less likely to ping/knock
 

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thanks for input, stock efi will be used. im going w/ 347
 

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