Thanks man! Yeah the dude was talking trash all day even though we had to pull over twice on the way cause he was overheating and his tranny kept puking fluid. Then he kept pulling off trail on every rock he saw to take pics. I can understand being excited but it was getting annoying. LOL We ended up running Chinawall cause the road to Eagle Rock and Saran Wrap were closed cause of all the fires(even though the fire was 40 miles from the trail). Chinawall is pretty easy a stock 4x4 could do most of it without issue. There is only one other obstacle besides that big rock called the rock pile. Going up the rock pile is much harder then going down it as you can imagine. There are a few different lines I took the hardest one cause I had gotten the Merc through it a year earlier. Well the Rock Ranger didn't wanna do it(it needs more power) came close. Then the TJ behind me tried it he had to winch out. Then when the XJ came up he went to the easier side and took him so long I had to shut my camcorder off cause the battery was dieing. He made it after I shut the camcorder off. Then I had to hear it all day how he made it and how his Jeep out wheeled RR(I think he had already forgot about the hard time he had getting up the big rock). I said if you took the same line as me I would agree with you, but you didn't. You took the easier line. LOL it started raining so there was no time to try his line. I will post up the pics later today.