Mosin–Nagant 7.62x54R

[crbnunit]

OK, I know I've posted it before but this seems to be the appropriate place and time for a repost. Besides, it is funny as hell!

AK-47: It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
AR-15: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon
infused oil for cleaning.
Mosin-Nagant: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

AK-47: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
AR-15: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
Mosin-Nagant: You can hit the barn from two miles away.

AK-47: Cheap mags are fun to buy.
AR-15: Cheap mags melt.
Mosin-Nagant: What's a mag?

AK-47: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
AR-15 You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the
trigger.
Mosin-Nagant: What's a safety?

AK-47: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
AR-15: Your rifle has a 9-point stealth tactical suspension system.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle has a dog collar.

AK: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
AR-15: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
Mosin-Nagant: Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK-47: You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak.
AR-15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 10
rounds.
Mosin-Nagant: You knock down everyone else's target with the shock
wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK-47: When out of ammo, your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
AR-15: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
Mosin-Nagant: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club,
pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK-47: Recoil is manageable, even fun.
AR-15: What's a recoil?
Mosin-Nagant: Recoil is often used to fix shoulders dislocated by the
previous shot.

AK-47: Your sight adjustment goes to 10, and you've never bothered
moving it.
AR-15: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of
angle.
Mosin-Nagant: Your sight adjustment goes to 2000 meters, and you've
actually tried it.

AK-47: Your rifle can be used by any two-bit nation's most illiterate
conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR-15: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two-bit
nations' most illiterate conscripts.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle has fought against itself - and won every
time.

AK-47: Your rifle won some revolutions.
AR-15: Your rifle drove Saddam out of Kuwait.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK-47: You paid $330.
AR-15: You paid $900.
Mosin-Nagant: You paid $59.95.

AK-47: You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR-15: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
Mosin-Nagant: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and
it works just fine.

AK-47: You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
AR-15: Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
Mosin-Nagant: You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the stream
without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK-47: Any fool can be taught to field strip it.
AR-15: Anyone with an IQ over 160 can be taught to field strip it.
Mosin-Nagant: What's field stripping?

AK-47: Service life, 50 years.
AR-15: Service life, 40 years.
Mosin-Nagant: Service life, 101 years, and counting.

AK-47: It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change
cartridge
sizes.
AR-15: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of
pins
and a new upper.
Mosin-Nagant: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of
his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54 R.

AK-47: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
AR-15: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith,
if it's under warranty!
Mosin-Nagant: If your rifle breaks, you pick up another one.

AK-47: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards
to
burst into flames.
AR-15: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5
shot
group.
Mosin-Nagant: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds
without the aid of a 2x4.

AK-47: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice
stock set.
AR-15: Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than
your
rifle.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny
lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in
Budapest.

AK-47: Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
AR-15: Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high-tech polymers.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle's finish is low-grade shellac, cosmoline, and
Olga's toe nails.

AK-47: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff
shot of vodka.
AR-15: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hot dogs
and apple pie.
Mosin-Nagant: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for
shishkabob.

AK-47: After a long day the range, you relax by watching Red Dawn.
AR-15: After a long day at the range, you relax by watching Black Hawk
Down.
Mosin-Nagant: After a long day at the range, you relax by visiting the
chiropractor.

AK-47: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your
rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!
"
AR-15: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear
your
house, slicing the pie from room to room.
Mosin-Nagant: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to
dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.

AK-47: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail
Kalashnikov.
AR-15: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene
Stoner.
Mosin-Nagant: Are there even photographs of Sergi Ivanovich Mosin and Leon Nagant?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

S&K makes a great no drill scout mount for the Mosin. I had one one of their mounts on my 1935 91/30 but I bought a scope with too long of an eye relief. I also didn't like the FOV or parallax with the pistol scope so I went with a bent bolt and drill/tap mount from rock solid industries. Great products, Nice guy, good service, shipping, etc. I put an old bushnell BDC scope, floated an ATI synthetic stock and shaved the Iron sights. I know i'm polishing a turd but I'm dinner plate accurate past 400yds with surplus ammo. My ten cent surplus rounds can keep up or even outshoot my friends $1.50/round 30-06. I've already recouped the cost of the upgrades to the rifle with the ammo savings. I LOVE the mosin.

I haven't shot it yet, but with the scope feels pretty good. I clicked the wrong thing and got a silver one which kind of irritates me but I am too squeaky to ship it back and have a black one shipped to me.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bushnell174-Trophy174-Handgun-Scope/748682.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&N=0&fsch=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=pistol+scope&Ntt=pistol+scope

I wouldn't be against finding one that is already set up with a regular mounting scope but I don't really want to change this one like that.

I do have a ATI stock on my Christmas order, and if Santa fails me I will get it on my own. In addition to not beating up my pretty wood stock, being lighter to carry and looking more modern... I can put my bypod on it. I am thinking of painting it flat olive drab instead of leaving it black though.

I am trying to get it set up for hunting, and have been scrounging all the SP bullets I can find. From what I have been able to find they are not really especially cheap, the only place I have found them is Sheels. Surplus FMJ will rip right thru a deer and not really know anything happened.

 

[crbnunit]

Wait. A "Pretty" Negant? They may be many things, some good and some bad but pretty? Me thinks not!

 

[Psychopete]

Those socks are metal.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Wait. A "Pretty" Negant? They may be many things, some good and some bad but pretty? Me thinks not!

The wood is in nice shape, likely brand new. Obviously not like a brand new Browning but it doesn't look too bad IMO.

Not sure if it is because it was a sniper or not but the receiver is very well finished for a wartime rifle too.

I am not one for not caring about stuff and letting it get beat up if I can help it.

 

[cr_the_machinist]

PE, PEM, or PU Scope is the only way to go!

1954 Romanian M44
1940 Tula M91/30
1942 PU Sniper (Reproduction)

 

[crbnunit]

That scope looks really vulnerable. How easy is it to knock that thing out of alignment?

 

[mn_smokeater]

Those socks are metal.

i rock so hard my socks barely stay on

 

[cr_the_machinist]

That scope looks really vulnerable. How easy is it to knock that thing out of alignment?

Very, very, very hard. If you know some basic machine shop theory and drill & tap the receiver correctly, they work 20x better than those b.s. aluminum scout mounts (the s&k looks good though). The mount is steel and the scope body is steel as well. You could the rifle by the scope and it would still hold a zero. Them Soviets make some ugly stuff but they know how to make it work well.

It's a real russian PU scope (post WWII production surplus), not those chinese aluminum knock-offs. The bore on the rifle is mint and shoots ~1.5" groups at 100 yards easily.

 

[crbnunit]

Nice. You can't really see the mount in the first photo. That thing is frigging BEEFY. Damned ugly, but BEEFY!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

PE, PEM, or PU Scope is the only way to go!

1954 Romanian M44
1940 Tula M91/30
1942 PU Sniper (Reproduction)

That is a nice look collection, I was at Cabela's again and there was a '39 Tula tugging at my heartstrings...

I looked at going with the PU setup, by the time I get the mount, scope and bent bolt I think it is a lot of expense for a 1940's hunting rifle... kind a verging on getting a new one really. Also, I didn't know how it would go drilling and tapping thru the weld on my receiver.

I did find a magazine that had a comparison between the snipers of WWII, and the PU Mosin-Nagant did really well. It should still be out there if you didn't see it, the article was pretty short though.

I didn't use a commercial "scout" scope mount. With the handguard removed, you tap out the two pins then the rear sight taps off to the front. From what I have read a 1940+ rifle has a slightly tapered base (I measured about a mm smaller front to rear on my '43) If your gun is older you can use regular 3/8 dovetail rings, later you have to get the whole base in the clamping action to hold. I got a 3/8 to 7/8 adaptor and 7/8 medium scope rings. Low rings would have still worked too.

With the front sight removed you have your PDC 3/8 dovetail exposed, it was bare steel coated in cosmoline so I cold blued it:

The scope on the gun:

It points really nice and wasn't really far off with the boresighter, I need to get the thing sighted in for real yet though.

 

[dp88]

thats really nice, I was thinking about picking up a one at the local shop for 69 bucks. Still need to check trigger pull and bore on it though.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

thats really nice, I was thinking about picking up a one at the local shop for 69 bucks. Still need to check trigger pull and bore on it though.

Trigger pull is normally long and hard on these guns. There was a vid on Youtube on how to shim it up to make it at least not as long, I will look for it again tonight. I think I have four sections of pop can in mine and it really shortened it up, still rather "crisp" but it isn't a long tedious pull anymore. Playing with my snap caps it doesn't really seem that bad. Make sure to bounce it good when you are done to make sure it doesn't go off unless you want it to.

 

[dp88]

ah thanks for the heads up.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIoby-NO5HA

There is the trigger mod video. There are lots of videos out there about Mosins BTW.

I also found a nice way to store it uncocked is to click the bolt over a little bit from straight up (there is a detent) and pull the trigger (unloaded) and it will uncock the bolt as it spins down.

If nothing else this thing has provided hours of entertainment reading about different things you can do with it.

I recommend the gun to anyone, they are a common (for the moment anyway) cheap gun that is fun to tinker with.

BTW I have a ATI stock on the way (Santa failed me on that so I had to get it myself) so I can hopefully swipe my bipod and more modern sling from my muzzleloader for late doe season that runs from the 11th to the 31st. I have never hunted deer with anything other than a shotgun with deer slugs in a group of guys so I am sure it will be a learning experiance to hunt by myself with a rifle.